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Okay, let's definitely get together when you're available - I'd love to hear that for myself.
What's the venue? Usually audio "events" are not conducive to critical listening because of all the commotion. Though I could also come by just to say Hi and meet y'all in person. If it's easier for you to email me, there's a Contact page on my company's site.--Ethan
John,> you said everything we can hear can be measured, and I said there are things we hear that "can't" be measured. <I continue to believe that anything audible can be measured. Maybe not the way you describe ("measure" which orchestra instrument is responsible for the 20 Hz component), but certainly the way I describe. --Ethan
Steve,> we are giving the attention Ethan seems to crave. We have occasionally seen this nonsense on other chat sites over the years. He will try to run us in circles (no pun intended) till we ignore him. <I've been polite to you, so I don't know why you feel the need to take that attitude. I'm sorry you don't agree that the burden of proof is on you to prove the benefits of spiking a CD player, but that's no reason to be rude.--Ethan
John,> if I am sitting in a symphony, my ears can hear many of the instruments individually ... You have NO measurment tool that is sensitive enough to do the same. <I think what you're saying is there are subtle things that, for example, let you isolate one instrument and hear it separately. And you know of no audio parameter (distortion, etc) that corresponds to hearing one musician out of many. And by extension, some of the things these "tweak" products do may be similarly subtle. So you conclude that it's possible for iso cones or expensive wire or whatever to have similar subtle effects that can't be measured yet are audible....
John,> I make "NO" claims about cones on electronic components or wires. <Fair enough - let's keep it to cones under speakers.What do you think is affected other than frequency response due to the differing wave paths I described earlier? More to the point, what do you think is affected that can be heard but not measured?--Ethan
Steve,> Our postings have been about testing and accuracy. <>>I thought you said you dispute the value of blind testing, no?>>Whoooops. That is what I meant, but with 9 total hours sleep the past two nights, what I said came out confusing. So why did you link the spike player test to our discussion when it was clearly secondary, no actually at the bottom of the barrel?>>"Your earlier post about "distractions" was offered as proof that even double blind tests are not reliable.">>Actually you came to the conclusion that the reference sources, A and B, are unreliable. So even (and that is an if) the testing itself is reliable, an unreliable source results in a reliable conclusion. Interesting.I could go on into greater depth on your comments, but as we have both mentioned, no progress is really being made, and no minds are going to be changed. I also have too much to do and not enough rest. Maybe we can state, in a friendly way, that we agree that we disagree. Hope you don't take this exchange personally. Life is more than audio. Love to buy you a beer if we ever meet.Take care.
I "personally" don't use spikes or cones under my speakers, I "mass load" them, so you have several different things at play.
QuoteI "personally" don't use spikes or cones under my speakers, I "mass load" them, so you have several different things at play. John can you please provide more detail on the mass loading. Are you slapping some 45 lb plates on the speakers? Seriously what kind of weight are you using and can you recommend where they can be purchased because I would like to give it a try.Thank youBryan