Digital future

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Pironi

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Re: Digital future
« Reply #40 on: 16 Nov 2025, 11:50 am »
I have tried a lot of other options and have got a Lineman streamer as a solution for having Tidal and ease of use on lists a and local radio stations.
I have invested close to 1k for that in order to keep my 3.14, waiting for a future update that would make MM or os3(?) usable again.
The problem is that direct playing through the 3.14 is sounding by far superior from every other option that I have tried, even having my 3.14 as a Roon endpoint (yes it was inferior)
James it's a big pity having this excellent sounding device and deemed useless from just software updates.

galyons

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« Reply #41 on: 16 Nov 2025, 11:54 pm »
Bryston makes great equipment.  As a company they are great at supporting their hardware.  I love my BDP3 and have learned to work around the limitations of MM. Given the debacle with the MM/OS3 user interface, that has been negative press for over three years, they obviously are not great on the software development side.  Sadly Bryston has made a bad situation worse by ignoring the multi-year old digital user interface issues and the stream of failed promises.

I spent my career, now retired,  in information and financial technologies.  User interfaces were critical to the success of almost all of the products. Best practices, in customer communication, is to over communicate and "'fess up" quickly when things go south.  Just ignoring the customer concerns means the problem continually remains as negative press out in the customer and potential customer base.  The lack of a viable replacement for MM is a “can” that just gets kicked “down the road”!

Negative press damages the corporate image and costs sales. Again good corporate communications protocol is to close the issue by clearly sharing the actual status of the user interface situation.  Set a firm new digital customer interface delivery date and hire resources capable of getting it done correctly, or admit that OS3, or a viable alternative, will never happen and customers will have to live with MM, and its limitations. Under commit and over deliver!!  That simple, fact based communication should stem the slow leak of user faith in Bryston and their lines of product. It is well past time for Bryston to step up and address the issue.

Twiga

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Re: Digital future
« Reply #42 on: 17 Nov 2025, 03:49 am »
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Well said!

jobiwon

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« Reply #43 on: 17 Nov 2025, 02:10 pm »
even having my 3.14 as a Roon endpoint (yes it was inferior)..

I'm curious; What was the Roon core host? Network topology? 

R. Daneel

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Re: Digital future
« Reply #44 on: 18 Nov 2025, 03:28 pm »
Bryston makes great equipment.  As a company they are great at supporting their hardware.  I love my BDP3 and have learned to work around the limitations of MM. Given the debacle with the MM/OS3 user interface, that has been negative press for over three years, they obviously are not great on the software development side.  Sadly Bryston has made a bad situation worse by ignoring the multi-year old digital user interface issues and the stream of failed promises.

I spent my career, now retired,  in information and financial technologies.  User interfaces were critical to the success of almost all of the products. Best practices, in customer communication, is to over communicate and "'fess up" quickly when things go south.  Just ignoring the customer concerns means the problem continually remains as negative press out in the customer and potential customer base.  The lack of a viable replacement for MM is a “can” that just gets kicked “down the road”!

Negative press damages the corporate image and costs sales. Again good corporate communications protocol is to close the issue by clearly sharing the actual status of the user interface situation.  Set a firm new digital customer interface delivery date and hire resources capable of getting it done correctly, or admit that OS3, or a viable alternative, will never happen and customers will have to live with MM, and its limitations. Under commit and over deliver!!  That simple, fact based communication should stem the slow leak of user faith in Bryston and their lines of product. It is well past time for Bryston to step up and address the issue.

Because you have a background in information technology, you know that even the bare "keeping up" is impossible for a company of 30, only few of which are software developers. Either Bryston will contunue doing what they do at a substantially higher price than before or they will stop doing it altogether. There is no third option.

Cheers - Antun

GSDaudio

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Re: Digital future
« Reply #45 on: 18 Nov 2025, 05:58 pm »
There is no third option.

Galyons hit the nail on the head with his statement which might be part of the "third option"

Again good corporate communications protocol is to close the issue by clearly sharing the actual status of the user interface situation.

All my gear including the BDP-3 is Bryston.   That is unlikely to change in the future.   But closure is always nice.

R. Daneel

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Re: Digital future
« Reply #46 on: 19 Nov 2025, 04:35 pm »
Galyons hit the nail on the head with his statement which might be part of the "third option"

All my gear including the BDP-3 is Bryston.   That is unlikely to change in the future.   But closure is always nice.

Sometimes the lack of respone is the response. Has there even been any development, never mind innovation, in the past year? Folks, things move at the speed of light in this industry and there are bigger brands that couldn't keep up. By the time you get the electronic design and software right, you're only one year behind the market leaders - if you're lucky.

Watch JT's introduction to BDP-1 he did for Audio Advisor and see what the idea was. Does that have anything to do with the market landscape today? There was no competitors then and BDP-1 was reasonably affordable. Today, the competition is frightening and the last BDP was triple the price.

Heck, when was this thread started? A couple of years ago, it would have had several dozen pages.

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Pironi

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Re: Digital future
« Reply #47 on: 19 Nov 2025, 06:11 pm »
I'm curious; What was the Roon core host? Network topology?

So I tested two different core - server solutions.
First I tried having roon core installed on a Macbook Pro with M4 Pro.
And then I used a PC with i7 and lots of RAM.
I used mainly the PC since It was in the listening room and I couldn't find any audible differences.
The rest of the setup was LAN (Cat 7 Forest Audioquest cables) through dedicated ports of the Unifi Dream Machine separate to each port of the UDM for the PC the NAS and the 3.14.

Playing directly from the Tidal tab of the MM player sounded much better.

WillyP

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Re: Digital future
« Reply #48 on: 19 Nov 2025, 06:56 pm »
And how about the Lindemann bridge? Somewhere between the PC and the BDA-3.14?

jobiwon

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Re: Digital future
« Reply #49 on: 20 Nov 2025, 02:16 pm »
So I tested two different core - server solutions.
First I tried having roon core installed on a Macbook Pro with M4 Pro.
And then I used a PC with i7 and lots of RAM.

I started out with a Mac Mini as a core and noticed the sound stage was flat as a pancake vs the BDP/MPD.  I then did some research and found other people with same issues running the core on a PC (win/mac).  So ended up rehosting to a SGC Sonic Transport and upgrading the network cabling and going to a Mesh network and putting an LPS on the modem/router.   Now the ROON sound is right there with the BDP/MPD.  MPD might sound a skosh fuller but ROON is close enough for general listening.  If I got a track I want to squeeze ever little nuance out of I switch back over to BDP as it so easy to flip back and forth.