[david cox]

I was about to pull the trigger on the JVC RX-F10, but thought I'd wait to hear the RX-D201.  How does it sound?  How does it compare tot he F10?

David

[schweino]

I was reading the pdf manual (http://books.jvcservice.com/download/641036636/36365.pdf) and on page 13 it says that you can set the receiver to digital auto signal select.

Does this mean that when the receiver get a analog signal (from a cable TV signal for instance) it won't output any audio at all in this setting, because it is not digital? Or will it process analog audio signals too in the auto mode? (as my current amp, a pioneer 712 does).

I would hate to manually switch between analog and digital each time.

[JuryDuty]

david cox--wish I could compare the two for you, but I've only heard the 201. I can tell you it sounds MUCH crisper and clearer than the Toshiba 6109c I had. But I don't know if that's saying much. I love the variety of individual speaker setting options that allow me to get just the right sound I want. But I don't really consider myself an audiophile, so I don't know if I can provide a real definative answer. Still, for the casual guy with a 5.1 surround movie set up, it's just awesome.

schweino--No, the auto setting will switch between whatever is input just fine. Of course, what I do is set the TV to analog and the DVD player to digital auto--that way when I switch to TV, it remembers to switch to analog and when I switch to the DVD player it changes to DD, DTS, etc depending on the disc.

[JuryDuty]

No, the a/v compulink cables are not included. Which sucks because that's just one other stupid cable you have to buy.

Where did you get one of these cables, el-cheapo? I went to Radio Shack and they had no idea what I was talking about. I also searched the web and can't find anyone selling them. Is it just a standard mini-phone cable?

P.S. I got the digital coaxial cable and it makes playback supernice now as the receiver can automatically detect the input audio type.


Edit: I found this on a site: AV Compulink cable (a cable with mono miniplugs on each end). So I guess that's all I need? Geesh, why don't they just call it that? lol

Edit: I found this too and answered my own q: "actually, you don't even need a mono miniplug. you can use one of the stereo ones, too. i used an extra one that came with my computer speakers to connect my VCR and DVD player so everything would work w/ 1 remote."

Yay!

[schweino]

schweino--No, the auto setting will switch between whatever is input just fine. Of course, what I do is set the TV to analog and the DVD player to digital auto--that way when I switch to TV, it remembers to switch to analog and when I switch to the DVD player it changes to DD, DTS, etc depending on the disc.

I currently use my TV input on my Pioneer amp for analogue and digital (Tv and XboX). So if I watch TV it switches to analogue and when I turn on my xbox for a game it switches to Dolby Digital 5.1, withouth me having to touch the amp at all.

Can this JVC do this too you reckon?

[el-cheapo]

Where did you get one of these cables, el-cheapo? I went to Radio Shack and they had no idea what I was talking about. I also searched the web and can't find anyone selling them. Is it just a standard mini-phone cable?

P.S. I got the digital coaxial cable and it makes playback supernice now as the receiver can automatically detect the input audio type.

Edit: I found this too and answered my own q: "actually, you don't even need a mono miniplug. you can use one of the stereo ones, too. i used an extra one that came with my computer speakers to connect my VCR and DVD player so everything would work w/ 1 remote."

I haven't gotten  my a/v compulink cable, I guess if this is correct that I can use a stereo one instead I may just try that instead, as I have a couple of those hanging around.

I am just using a standard RCA composite video cable for the digital coax cable, it works great!

I am also going to get a bunch of cables and such from buy.com here soon. If you sign up for one of their credit cards you get an instant $30 off. They have some good cheapo cables also. Most with free shipping!

They don't call me el-cheapo for nothing!

[el-cheapo]

I am also going to get a bunch of cables and such from buy.com here soon. If you sign up for one of their credit cards you get an instant $30 off. They have some good cheapo cables also. Most with free shipping!

Sorry about replying to myself, but there doesn't seem to be a way to edit my messages.

DON'T do the BUY.COM credit card deal. I have just spent an hour trying to clear this up. They suck bad.  
I had done a similar one with Amazon that worked out fine, but BUY.COM is NOT Amazon, they can barely keep their site up.

[JuryDuty]

schweino--No, the auto setting will switch between whatever is input just fine. Of course, what I do is set the TV to analog and the DVD player to digital auto--that way when I switch to TV, it remembers to switch to analog and when I switch to the DVD player it changes to DD, DTS, etc depending on the disc.

I currently use my TV input on my Pioneer amp for analogue and digital (Tv and XboX). So if I watch TV it switches to analogue and when I turn on my xbox for a game it switc ...

I would imagine so, but I don't have a way to test that. El-cheapo, do you?

[thuway]

Just wondering, when does the 301 come out?

Whats the difference between 301 and 302? Everywhere I go they are priced the same?

Do you guys think (For non audiophiles) that the wireless music thing will work?

And finally, I have alot of media on my pc, could it be possible to stream the audio from my AVI files to the reciever so I can hear my audio through my speakers?

[schweino]

JuryDuty: maybe you can set the amp to "auto digital" and see if it will accept the analogue signal from your tv?

thuway: The 301 is allready for sale here (The Netherlands), and I imagine that the 302 is black and the 301 is silver (just like the 201/202).

[el-cheapo]

Just wondering, when does the 301 come out?

Whats the difference between 301 and 302? Everywhere I go they are priced the same?

Do you guys think (For non audiophiles) that the wireless music thing will work?

And finally, I have alot of media on my pc, could it be possible to stream the audio from my AVI files to the reciever so I can hear my audio through my speakers?

Not sure what you mean by "wireless thing" but wireless usb is almost a reality, I don't see why that wouldn't work.

My take on the USB thing is that it acts like a sound card. Period. The big question is whether it decodes 5.1 or greater trough the USB connection. I have yet to test that. I doubt it does, but I could be wrong.

As for 202/302 comparisons, check here
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-RXJ6acLhncC/cgi-bin/ProdComp.asp?g=10420&c=4&s=0&cc=01&pt2=0&ITM257RXD202B=on&ITM257RXD302B=on&x=32&y=7

[JuryDuty]

JuryDuty: maybe you can set the amp to "auto digital" and see if it will accept the analogue signal from your tv?

Hmm...no, if I set it on auto digital, it's just silent.

[schweino]

Seems it doesn't auto select between analogue and digital sources then...... That's kinda bad imo.

[JuryDuty]

Yes, it would seem so...unless I'm doing something wrong.

BTW, I have noticed that it runs pretty darn hot, too. I still very happy with it--the sound and features are great, but this is something I'll keep an eye on.

[schweino]

Can anyone else try this to verify?

[mojolo]

regarding USB, from pg. 10-11 in the 201/202 manual on JVC's website (doesn't tell us much actually):

http://books.jvcservice.com/download/641051267/36365.pdf

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USB Connection
This receiver is equipped with a USB terminal on the front panel. You can connect your PC to this terminal and enjoy sound reproduced through your PC. When you connect your PC for the first time, follow the procedure below.

• Remember you cannot send any signal or data to your PC from this receiver.

IMPORTANT:
• Check if your PC equipped with the CD-ROM drive is running on Windows® 98 SE*, Windows® Me*, Windows® 2000*, or Windows® XP* and prepare its CD-ROM.
• Check your PC’s BIOS setting—whether USB is available, and whether USB IRQ is set to “AUTO” or to available IRQ number.

How to install the USB drivers
The following procedure is described using the English version of Windows® XP. If your PC is running on a different version of operation system or language, the screens shown on your PC’s monitor will differ from the ones used in the following procedure.
1. Turn on your PC and start running Windows® 98 SE, Windows® Me, Windows® 2000, or Windows® XP.
• If the PC has been turned on, quit all the applications now running.
2. Turn on the receiver, and select the source other than “USB.”
3. Set the volume to minimum.
IMPORTANT:
Always set volume to “0” when connecting or disconnecting the other equipment.
4. Connect the unit to the PC using a USB cable (not supplied).
5. The USB drivers are installed automatically.
• If the USB drivers are not installed automatically, install the USB drivers by following the instructions on the PC’s monitor.
6. Check if the drivers are correctly installed.
1. Open the Control Panel on your PC: Select [Start] = [Control Panel].
2. Select [System] = [Hardware] = [Device Manager] = [Sound, video and game controllers] = [Universal Serial Bus controllers].
• The following window appears, and you can check whether the drivers are installed.
Now PC is ready for playback through the USB connection. After installation is completed, you can use your PC as the playback source. The PC automatically recognizes the receiver whenever a USB cable is connected between the PC and the receiver while the receiver is turned on.
• When not using the PC as the playback source, disconnect the USB cable.
To play back sounds on the PC, refer to the manuals supplied with the sound reproduction application installed in the PC.

NOTES
• DO NOT turn off the receiver or disconnect the USB cable while
installing the drivers and for several seconds while your PC is
recognizing the receiver.
• Use a full speed USB cable (version 1.1). Recommended cord
length is 1.5 m.
• If your PC does not recognize the receiver, disconnect the USB
cable and connect it again. If it does not work yet, restart
Windows.
• The installed drivers can be recognized only when the USB
cable is connected between the receiver and your PC.
• The sound may not be played back correctly—interrupted or
degraded—due to your PC settings and PC specifications.

[mojolo]

based on this, it sounds like it will take a PCM signal from the USB link.

can anyone who already has this check if it can decode a DD or DTS stream from USB?

The fact that it uses USB version 1.1 shouldn't be an issue.

USB 1.1 has max speed of 12mbps

two channel PCM is typically 1536kbps

AC3 has typical bitrate of 384kbps or 448kbps

DTS is usually 768kbps[/list:u]also, can anyone testify to the quality of audio using the USB link.  The rx-f10 is said to have worse SQ when accepting a digital input versus analog due to an extra step of digital to analog conversion.  Can anyone say how the 201/202 sounds when accepting a digital input versus an analog input?  And, does the digital USB sound the same as the digital coax?

[DS-21]

regarding USB, from pg. 10-11 in the 201/202 manual on JVC's website (doesn't tell us much actually):

http://books.jvcservice.com/download/641051267/36365.pdf

[code]USB Connection
This receiver is equipped with a USB terminal on the front panel. You can connect your PC to this terminal and enjoy sound reproduced through your PC. When you connect your PC for the first time, follow the procedure below.<snip>

Odd. The marketing copy makes a point that the USB/wireless input is Mac compatible, yet the passage about it doesn't mention anything about Macs. Just to be sure I d/l'ed the manual and searched its text in Preview; neither "mac" nor "OSX" appear anywhere in its text. Even if it "just works", the way most things do with OSX, one would think JVC would at least mention that fact in the owner's manual.

Has anyone here used one yet (either wired or wireless) with a Mac and iTunes or iDVD?

[schweino]

Seems it doesn't auto select between analogue and digital sources then...... That's kinda bad imo.

Called JVC about this, and they confirmed it does NOT automatically switch between analog and digital signals.... I couldn't believe it, I haven't seen an amp that doesn't have this feature (even my old Pioneer does it). Well, for me this is a reason not to get this JVC, which is a shame since it has great specs otherwise for a great price (and a great design).

[dvdvideo]

I don't get it.....don't you have enough inputs anyhow that this would not be a problem?

For instance just run analog to tape or cd input instead of dvd or tv......

Seems silly of jvc to do this...and really odd.....