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Subjectigate is an inside word only known to us subjectivist audio freaks. I learned to share in kindergarten and love to share my elaborate opinions on audio gear. My audio gear pride knows no bounds.
If the shoe fits...
Again, nothing more valuable and important than our own subjective opinions, they just don't share very well.
If I were a marketing director for an audio company, I would insist that my company's amplifiers don't have a sonic signature and use a bunch of techo-babble and measurements as "proof." Some people would actually believe it. BTW -- I have a Purifi amp and it definitely has a sonic signature. In fact, I can swap out input buffers to alter the sound, but the measurements wouldn't change. Of course, the naysayers would claim that input buffers have no bearing on the sound and round and round we go...
That's YOUR opinion. Many opinions on this forum share very well. For instance, I bought my Purifi amp based on opinions provided here and subsequently substantiated by my own experience. Kinda worked out well for me, I would say.
The problem with goryu’s argument is that it goes something like this - “An amp that measures better will have less of a sound and thus it is by definition a better amplifying device” He then proceeds to dismiss listening to an amp as ‘subjective’. But here’s the problem. You can only tell if the change being made is audible by actually listening to it. An amp that measures better, but you don’t listen to it, the best you can say is that it ‘must’ be better because it measures better. But that is a tautological argument. But, that assumes you t
There are forums for measurebaters and AC is not one. Why do we need to be converted into the dark side?
You still don't understand. Not trying to convert anyone unless appeals to logic and reason are considered conversion therapy, in which case I will simply say enjoy your comfortable shoes.
Goryu please state your end goal with your argument?
I have, repeatedly.
Some amps designed to impress metersSome amps designed to impress eyesSome amps designed to impress egoSome amps designed to impress earsSome amps designed to impress heartVery few amps impress them allChoose your poisonLet friends choose differently No matter which choice, we all still "paid how much?!?! For just the amplifier?!?!?"
The problem with goryu’s argument is that it goes something like this - “An amp that measures better will have less of a sound and thus it is by definition a better amplifying device” He then proceeds to dismiss listening to an amp as ‘subjective’. But here’s the problem. You can only tell if the change being made is audible by actually listening to it. An amp that measures better, but you don’t listen to it, the best you can say is that it ‘must’ be better because it measures better. But that is a tautological argument.
I like this one: "I buy audio gear, but I don't listen to it because I need to remain objective. Instead, I spend time reading the measurements and imagining what my system sounds like."
I think I get what Goryu is saying and I agree 100%. Amps do sound different, there is no disputing that for me. The thing is, what sounds best for you doesn’t necessarily sound best for me and while amp “a” may sound better to me than amp “b”, if I move them into different rooms, or connect them to different systems, that opinion may change. There are no absolute answers, therefor it’s a little silly to ask on a forum what’s best because it’s dependent on rooms, systems, listener preferences and even type of music played.I’ve got multiple systems set up in my house and depending on the room and components set up, I might prefer the Decware, or the Quicksilver or something else. Heck, I can even make my little Brio sound the best in a certain room with a certain set of components and certain music.
Ok. Thank you for stating the obvious in your numerous posts.
