[Hantra]

So I go out and buy a DVI -> HDMI cable for my Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8000 HD DVR to hook to my brand new Grand Wega, which is like 3 weeks old, and the freaking box tells me my HDTV is NOT HDCP compliant, and that I will need to hook the component cables back up to watch TV.

Amazing!  

Anyone else having this problem?

[OBF]

I don't have info that helps you, but it seems amazing, like unlikely, that a new Grand Wega would not be HDCP compliant.  Using a projector company that I'm familiar with as an example, InFocus, I think all their HT geared products have been HDCP complaint for over a year and this is a high end product from Sony.  I wonder if there is just some compatibility issue with the box or cable glitch???

[Marbles]

A few years ago I bought a Sony Wega 36" XBR250 TV.

I got a new DVDP  for my ref system and moved my old DVDP to the Sony.

The picture was all F#cked up.  Turns out the Sony would not take the progressive scan input  
 
I have to run my DVDP interlaced to it.

Sucks for me....

Wouldn't surprise me about your Sony problems..

[ted_b]

B,
Which Grand Wega, the KDF-60XBR950?  The DVI-D input indeed should be HDCP-compliant; all of 2003's line was.  It has to be DVI-D cables, though, not DVI-A or anything weird like that.  I'm sure you''ve already done all this and are screaming "yes, I know, DVI..." but I had to ask.   My Explorer 8000HD has DVI out, not HDMI (although I have an RGB projector so I use component and a transcoder).  Sometimes HDMI conversion cables screw with the security issues and the pj can't recognize; I'd just go DVI-to-DVI.

Ted

[Hantra]

B,
Which Grand Wega, the KDF-60XBR950?  The DVI-D input indeed should be HDCP-compliant; all of 2003's line was.  It has to be DVI-D cables, though, not DVI-A or anything weird like that.  I'm sure you''ve already done all this and are screaming "yes, I know, DVI..." but I had to ask.   My Explorer 8000HD has DVI out, not HDMI (although I have an RGB projector so I use component and a transcoder).  Sometimes HDMI conversion cables screw with the security issues and the pj can't recognize; I'd just go DVI-to-DVI.

Ted

Ted:

This one is the KDF-42WE655.  It is allegedly compliant, but I have learned that Sony has a screwed up way of doing some things.  For example, they TOOK OFF the DVI input on this year's model and replaced it with a single HDMI input.  Not only that, but the freaking HDMI input goes ANALOG right out of the gate.  The only reason I wanna do it is because I have used all TWO of my component inputs.  

Ohh well.  It's just lame.  I hate that every time I turn around I am getting gheyed by a bigass compnay who wants so much to "protect" their property rights that it deprives ME of fair use.  But they have a sh*tload more money than I do, so they can buy more lobbyists.

Sorry.  I'm just tired of dealing with issues like this.  First it was my e-books that I BOUGHT, and then it was ghey, unreadable CDs, and now. . .

 

[ted_b]

If you send the HDMI input a DVI cable, will it work (aren't they compatible...dunno myself)?

What a load of crap........

Ted

[Hantra]

If you send the HDMI input a DVI cable, will it work (aren't they compatible...dunno myself)?

What a load of crap........

Ted

Well that's a good question.  I have been told that the DVI -> HDMI cable is straight through, and non-directional.  So if you can send HDMI the other way, you should be able to send it to the TV.  I am trying to hit the service menu on the cable box right now.  My lame cable company won't let me get a cable card.  Plus they got me hooked on this DVR. .  

[Mag]

I'm not familiar with your tv so this is just a suggestion. On my Panasonic tv you have to change the tv input to HDMI in the settings menu. Maybe your tv has a similiar type input setting?

[gonefishin]

hey Hantra,

    You may want to ask your question at The Home Theater Spot - Sony Forum too.  They've got some knowledgeable people who visit that site.


   Hope it works out


    dan

[hometheaterdoc]

If you send the HDMI input a DVI cable, will it work (aren't they compatible...dunno myself)?

What a load of crap........

Ted

Well that's a good question.  I have been told that the DVI -> HDMI cable is straight through, and non-directional.  So if you can send HDMI the other way, you should be able to send it to the TV.  I am trying to hit the service menu on the cable box right now.  My lame cable company won't let me get a cable card.  Plus they got me hooked on this DVR. .  

is that the new DVR box that records HDTV as well as SDTV?  Did they actually turn on the DVI output?  When they first released the boxes, the component cables were the only outputs that worked... even the composite and S video were non-functional.

Your HDMI input should recognize the DVI passed on it.  If it is compliant, you shouldn't have any problems....

shoot me a note if you want me to troubleshoot this for you. I can explain better over the phone if you want...

[Hantra]

is that the new DVR box that records HDTV as well as SDTV?  Did they actually turn on the DVI output?  When they first released the boxes, the component cables were the only outputs that worked... even the composite and S video were non-functional.

That is the correct box.  My friend has one also, and his DVI is enabled.  He uses DVI to a Grand Wega II.  Considering that mine is a GWIV, I thought that I would have no trouble.  

I have gone through and disabled everything except 1080i, as suggested on some other forums, and I still have problems.  It's not a handshaking thing either.  If my GW had DVI, I have no doubt it would work.

[ted_b]

B,
So my suggestion was to find a DVI-DVI cable, and get rid of the HDMI handshake.  Your TV's HDMI jack should accept a DVI cable adapter..  Then you may need to reboot the Explorer.  Although I only use component, it wouldn't accept my hidef component setup during Explorer setup until I rebooted (it was set for a different component synch or whatever).

Ted

Edit...added the word "adapter"...sorry

[Hantra]

B,
So my suggestion was to find a DVI-DVI cable, and get rid of the HDMI handshake.  Your TV's HDMI jack should accept a DVI cable.  Then you may need to reboot the Explorer.  Although I only use component, it wouldn't accept my hidef component setup during Explorer setup until I rebooted (it was set for a different component synch or whatever).

Ted

Are you saying use a DVI to DVI cable with an HDMI adapter?

[ted_b]

Yes.  Although it sounds like the same solution, some HDMI-to-DVI cables don't do the handshake correctly.  If you try an adapter, it may work.   Try pccables.com.  Also, does your friend who has a working DVI out on his Explorer use the same cable provider?  I know mine hasn't activated the DVI outs yet.

Ted

[Hantra]

Yes.  Although it sounds like the same solution, some HDMI-to-DVI cables don't do the handshake correctly.  If you try an adapter, it may work.   Try pccables.com.  Also, does your friend who has a working DVI out on his Explorer use the same cable provider?  I know mine hasn't activated the DVI outs yet.

Ted

Good idea Ted.  I'll try that.  

My friend has Time Warner, and he lives 15 mins. from me.

[jpsartre]

Don't know if this would help but I remember reading a similar issue at the AVS forum (www.avsforum.com) about the Sanyo PLV-70 projector. In this case, the PJ has a DVI input that is not HDCP compliant so people came up with a workaround to hook up HDMI w/HDCP to the DVI input using something else. It's a long shot but you might want to look it up (I believe it was the Display Devices/Digital projectors over $3.5K forum). Actually, the AVS Forum is probably the best place to get a good answer for this.