[witchdoctor]

When you think about it you really gotta be confident in your product to have an open chat room on a public forum like this. If you are a scammer or a "snake oil" artist pissed off customers would be flaming you in droves and the vendor would have to close down the circle AND their company.

[Kalali]

MIT Z cord

[timind]

One question though, how much improvement in sound would I get upgrading the power cord on this amp?

Good question. Triode Wire Labs got GREAT feedback at Axpona and have a circle right here. I have 0 relationship with the company. What I recommend is start a thread in their circle with pics of your system (not just your amp) and ask the same question. You'll probably get replies from members with similar equipment or maybe even the owner of TWL.
 My personal approach is to always start an audition with the BEST power cord the company sells (with 0 intention of keeping it) just to hear what it might do. If the answer is zilch I send it back for a refund. If the answer is OMG now you have a benchmark and order the cord you can actually afford to keep. You'll be able to tell how close you can get to that bar of their top of the line and make a decision accordingly.


Here is the link to their circle:

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?board=200.0

Thanks for the suggestion. The thing is though, I love the way this amp sounds, and am not looking to change it. If I want a different sound, I can roll in some different tubes in the Fisher. Also, I have 3 other amps, all somewhat different in design. If I want a totally different sound, or if I want more power, or more grip, I simply rotate in one of the other amps.

[witchdoctor]

Thanks for the suggestion. The thing is though, I love the way this amp sounds, and am not looking to change it. If I want a different sound, I can roll in some different tubes in the Fisher. Also, I have 3 other amps, all somewhat different in design. If I want a totally different sound, or if I want more power, or more grip, I simply rotate in one of the other amps.

Sorry to bust your bubble timind, but without trying a better power cord you likely don't even know how that amp REALLY sounds  .
Dude, we aren't talking about tubifying it, swapping out parts or modding it. We are ONLY talking about plugging it in (ala with a BETTER plug). Good luck with your amp

[Elizabeth]

Sorry to bust your bubble timind, but without trying a better power cord you likely don't even know how that amp REALLY sounds  .
Dude, we aren't talking about tubifying it, swapping out parts or modding it. We are ONLY talking about plugging it in (ala with a BETTER plug). Good luck with your amp

The "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink" problem.

[OzarkTom]

The "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink" problem.

Or,

"Lead a person to knowledge and you cannot make them think."

[Elizabeth]

"Lead a person to knowledge and you cannot make them think." (In the terms you insist they conform to)..
Just because they DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU, does not make anyone ignorant. 

[PDR]

Sorry to bust your bubble timind, but without trying a better power cord you likely don't even know how that amp REALLY sounds  .
Dude, we aren't talking about tubifying it, swapping out parts or modding it. We are ONLY talking about plugging it in (ala with a BETTER plug). Good luck with your amp

If you dont have a room set up and treated properly......how do you know what
will actually make a difference in the first place??

This is what is so comical...."This wire will blow you away with the...."
As they sit in a echo chamber of a living room, or worse, a badly treated one.

Bubble burst.....and you can probably hear it again.....and again......and again....Lol

[timind]

Sorry to bust your bubble timind, but without trying a better power cord you likely don't even know how that amp REALLY sounds  .
Dude, we aren't talking about tubifying it, swapping out parts or modding it. We are ONLY talking about plugging it in (ala with a BETTER plug). Good luck with your amp

I just spent 2 hours listening through the amp pictured, and I know exactly how this amp "really" sounds. It sounds just the way I want it to sound. 

I have used, and still do use upgraded power cords. I don't believe they have any effect on the sound of what ever they're plugged into.

A few years ago I learned a valuable lesson regarding modding gear. I had a pair of speakers which I could listen to for hours, just a magical sound. The problem with them was though, I felt they lacked resolution. I bought several speakers with a similar sound, but with a bit more resolution. I came close, but when I put my favorites back in I always felt they had more magic. So, I decided to mod the speaker's crossover. It went pretty well and the extra resolution was there. Unfortunately, they lost the magic which made them so special.

Here's my take on this subject. Replacing a correctly spec'd A/C cable with an after market cord will have zero audible difference on a piece of audio equipment. That said, I also believe you, and anyone else who says they hear a difference, do hear a difference.

[witchdoctor]

If you dont have a room set up and treated properly......how do you know what
will actually make a difference in the first place??

This is what is so comical...."This wire will blow you away with the...."
As they sit in a echo chamber of a living room, or worse, a badly treated one.

Bubble burst.....and you can probably hear it again.....and again......and again....Lol

If you have been following along for 11 pages GREAT PDR. You might have missed the article I posted about setting up your budget, 1/3 for the equipment, 1/3 for the ROOM, and 1/3 for the POWER.

[witchdoctor]

 

Here's my take on this subject. Replacing a correctly spec'd A/C cable with an after market cord will have zero audible difference on a piece of audio equipment.


Well like I said before, you can do whatever you want while me, the OP, the Audioeng, Elizabeth and others enjoy our high end systems. 

[timind]

Here's my take on this subject. Replacing a correctly spec'd A/C cable with an after market cord will have zero audible difference on a piece of audio equipment.


Well like I said before, you can do whatever you want while me, the OP, the Audioeng, Elizabeth and others enjoy our high end systems. 

Sounds good. I'll enjoy listening to music while you have fun listening to power cables. 

[Elizabeth]

Sounds good. I'll enjoy listening to music while you have fun listening to power cables. 

Sadly it is true.    All I listen for are slight alterations in the frequency response, Music? Many years ago I used to listen to music... not anymore. Now I listen to test tones from a frequency generator. Day and Night, Sun Up to Sun Down, Week in Week out... test tones.
Broadband, Pink noise White noise, sawtooth, squarewaves... I love them all.
Different frequency generators also sound different.. And with different powercords to them!
I do play 'tunes' I make up from an old MIDI generator in a Commodor 64 computer... But I prefer the real plain old test tones 98% of the time.
 

[Elizabeth]

If you have been following along for 11 pages GREAT PDR. You might have missed the article I posted about setting up your budget, 1/3 for the equipment, 1/3 for the ROOM, and 1/3 for the POWER.

1/3? I have to say I use a TON of AC stuff and my percentage including all power conditioenrs, power cords, and duplex is about (retail)14%
With buying both the power conditioners used, and stuff on sale, I spent half of retail on the AC side.
Now if I went and bought say all Audio Quest Hurricane powercords. I could get it up higher And sure the sound might be a little better.... I would rather spend that money someplace else in the system.
Someone tried to convince me to buy a AQ Hurricane, I bought a dozen cheaper cords for the same money as one Hurricane. If I were wealthy.. I probably would buy the Hurricanes.. but then I would own MBL 101e speakers too... Instead of the cheap Magnepan 20.7

[witchdoctor]

I know what you mean that 1/3 of the budget for power seems like a lot. Here is the article again and obviously this award winning home theater is SOA at $150K. I have never tried the Torus power conditioning mentioned in the article as I am really happy with the one I have now. I agree with the designers philiosophy though:

So, why then does power make up one-third of David’s list of essential elements for a high-performance system?

“Because if you don’t have good power, you can’t possibly have a good system,” he explains. “Everything we see and hear is essentially modulated power. So, it’s important that you start any system with clean power."

https://essentialinstall.com/case-studies/inside-100000-auro-3d-crestron-home-theatre/

BTW- The witchdoctors system not only has clean power but is setup for auro 3D as well with a budget of much less than $150K.

[witchdoctor]

Hey, does anyone own a Bryston PLC? Would love to hear more about it. Seems like a logical next in this thread right? :

http://www.bryston.com/products/other/BIT20.html

http://www.bryston.com/products/other/MPS-2.html

[timind]

Sadly it is true.    All I listen for are slight alterations in the frequency response, Music? Many years ago I used to listen to music... not anymore. Now I listen to test tones from a frequency generator. Day and Night, Sun Up to Sun Down, Week in Week out... test tones.
Broadband, Pink noise White noise, sawtooth, squarewaves... I love them all.
Different frequency generators also sound different.. And with different powercords to them!
I do play 'tunes' I make up from an old MIDI generator in a Commodor 64 computer... But I prefer the real plain old test tones 98% of the time.
 

Thanks, it's about time you came out of the closet

[OzarkTom]

I guess I have mostly switched to a music lover. At times I just stream Amazon music through my echo dot into my audio system. If the sound is too bright and thin, I just turn the volume down where it will not hurt my ears.

[maxima95]

Sadly it is true.    All I listen for are slight alterations in the frequency response, Music? Many years ago I used to listen to music... not anymore. Now I listen to test tones from a frequency generator. Day and Night, Sun Up to Sun Down, Week in Week out... test tones.
Broadband, Pink noise White noise, sawtooth, squarewaves... I love them all.
Different frequency generators also sound different.. And with different powercords to them!
I do play 'tunes' I make up from an old MIDI generator in a Commodor 64 computer... But I prefer the real plain old test tones 98% of the time.
 

Absolutely.  Why would anyone listen to music, or anything for that matter?  When you can measure, read white papers, and develop proof about your components and ancillaries.  Come to think of it - you really don't need to use your ears; just your eyes.

[Elizabeth]

Absolutely.  Why would anyone listen to music, or anything for that matter?  When you can measure, read white papers, and develop proof about your components and ancillaries.  Come to think of it - you really don't need to use your ears; just your eyes.

The REAL SECRET is found when you just let go and chew.... Cleaning Lps licking them off is the WAY TO GO!!!
Taste is the key. When you really get down to it, how the music tastes is the inner sanctum. Best tasting are 1950's Mono LP covers...
(My pet cockatiel gave me this insight. When left to his own devices, He would ALWAYS head straight to the Mono records and start in chewing the covers. He says it's the glue.. The glue has that magic essence. And after i started chewing on them myself.. Gosh! he is RIGHT.)
Now I go to Goodwill and head straight to the used LP bins... Soon as I see them I start salivating...