[Jonathon Janusz]

Wow taking it personally? (and I am on YOUR SIDE) As always, many audiophiles have no sense of humor or irony.
Good luck btw...
Maybe you can find a safe haven, where all the audio mavens are kind and helpful.. Oh.. like here... 

In my reply to your post I provided what I thought was a great article re: power from Electronic House magazine along with pictures of a home theater with both good acoustic and power designs. I thought I ended our (me and you) discussion with helpful advice which still stands. Somethings you just need to audition rather then read about and there are many many vendors that offer return policies, you should take the leap.
What was your opinion of the article?

I started writing replies to these two posts but they starting coming off more like starting to pick a fight on the Internet than anything constructive.  Elizabeth, I understand well humor and irony, I just must have missed the humor in this case, and the irony I think is that this thread had potential in part because it wasn't shaping up to be a "safe" space before derailment.  Witchdoctor, I didn't think we (you and I) were discussing anything; I just tried to ask you as politely as I could muster to give PDR a straight answer to his question instead of what I saw as a snide tangent; sorry if I misinterpreted that too.  I'm just going to let it go and move on, but wanted to at least let you each know that I read each of your replies before I bow out as a conversational courtesy.

No offense taken on any front, far from it.  Apologies for any interruption in whatever direction the conversation is headed.

[veloceleste]

I wonder if HiFiDan, the poster that started this, has come away with anything useful?  Has anyone learned or taken away anything of value from the 6 preceding pages?

In life:
Investigate and research.
Be open minded.
Make your decision based on what you have learned and your gut.
Try not to judge.

In audio:
Investigate and research.
Be open minded.
Make your decision based on what you have learned and your gut.
Judge the results in your own system.

[HifiDan]

Well, talk about a big can of worms ...
All i wanted to express is has anybody else had experienced what i had?
I guess there are a lot of sceptics out there and i respect that.
Still, happy listening to you all.
Hifidan

[witchdoctor]

Well, talk about a big can of worms ...
All i wanted to express is has anybody else had experienced what i had?
I guess there are a lot of sceptics out there and i respect that.
Still, happy listening to you all.
Hifidan

The reason for the "can of worms" is lack of specificity. To say all power cords are __________ (good,bad, indifferent) is a general statement that can't be defended whether you are pro or con, an engineer or a layman.
When you are "specific" I tried __________ power cord and it sounded like __________. or
Here are the measurements from ______ power cord you largely avoid "cans" of any type.
Granted some of my posts contained memes in an attempt to inject some levity in the topic. 

[gberger]

At the risk of being declared s absolutely stupid, I'd just like to suggest that Bryston provides power cords with their discrete pieces of equipment that - - in Bryston's opinion - - are sufficient and proper to provide the best SQ from that particular device.      I'm using the power cords that came with my 4BSST2, BCD-3, BP-6C. BP-26 and BP17 cubed.

If this fight (or controversy) is over power cords that supply other makes of audio devices, take it elsewhere.

I've been using Bryston stuff for some time, and I can't imagine them letting inferior products leave their premises

[Elizabeth]

At the risk of being declared s absolutely stupid, I'd just like to suggest that Bryston provides power cords with their discrete pieces of equipment that - - in Bryston's opinion - - are sufficient and proper to provide the best SQ from that particular device.     

I disagree. I would say Bryston provides powercords that are sufficient for most Bryston customers to be acceptable. Same as they use resistors, capacitors.. all to meet a price point,  longevity, and sound balance. (and thus not to be: "the best possible')
THere ARE other resistors, capacitors, mostly way more expensive ones! That Bryston (I am certain) knows 'could improve SQ" but at a cost beyond what the market will carry.
Same thing with power cords.

[gberger]

 Elizabeth,
But that's why we buy Bryston, rather than spending megabucks of Ultra High Definition equipment that only superior-hearing and  uniquely trained listeners can appreciate.
George
(The Ancient One)

[Elizabeth]

Elizabeth,
But that's why we buy Bryston, rather than spending megabucks of Ultra High Definition equipment that only superior-hearing and  uniquely trained listeners can appreciate.
George
(The Ancient One)

Clearly you are confused... Since many Bryston products ARE ""Ultra High Definition equipment that only superior-hearing and  uniquely trained listeners can appreciate""

My being one such listener. Since upgrading over the years after buying the BP-26 and proclaiming it to be still superior.. Absolute Sound finally agreed and gave the BP-26 the Recommended seal.
(so there!)

[PierreB]

I disagree. I would say Bryston provides powercords that are sufficient for most Bryston customers to be acceptable. Same as they use resistors, capacitors.. all to meet a price point,  longevity, and sound balance. (and thus not to be: "the best possible')
THere ARE other resistors, capacitors, mostly way more expensive ones! That Bryston (I am certain) knows 'could improve SQ" but at a cost beyond what the market will carry.
Same thing with power cords.

Yes you are right, and it’s not only Bryston. I think some compagnies don’t include a power cord with there products. They let there customers decide what it’s good for them.

[PDR]

Clearly you are confused... Since many Bryston products ARE ""Ultra High Definition equipment that only superior-hearing and  uniquely trained listeners can appreciate""

My being one such listener. Since upgrading over the years after buying the BP-26 and proclaiming it to be still superior.. Absolute Sound finally agreed and gave the BP-26 the Recommended seal.
(so there!)

Well......there you have it....

[Freo-1]

If you guys can supply some real science behind this, I'm listening.

There isn't any. 


There is plenty of science supporting the fact that OEM power cords are just as good as the high dollar cords.  Read the following link (once it's back up), which includes a letter from an engineer who actually works in the field.


http://www.realhd-audio.com/?p=6440


Think about it:  There simply is no way a given power cable can improve upon the incoming power fed from the plug and Romex cable supplying it.  The job of the equipment's power supply is to clean up the power, and frankly, any well designed piece of audio gear already adequately filters the incoming power. 


IF you really want to improve the sonic playback, just get better equipmnet.  Case in point:


THD+N : 0,00025% (440W / 6Ω)

THD : 0,0001% (10W / 6Ω) Signal-to-Noise ratio: 133dB


This is from an integrated amp that only needs input signals (digital, line analog, or phono).


There is too much hype and deception when it comes to audio, especially high end audio.  Folks are free to spend their hard earned cash as they see fit, so if one drops big dollars on power cords and interconnects, that is their prerogative.  However, to suggest other people will experience the same "perceived improvement" is disingenuous at best.  There is simply nothing to back up these assertions. 


Caveat Emptor

[S Clark]

To Summarize: 

"I can hear a difference in power cords"
"No you can't"
"Yes I can"
"No one can.  It's not logical"
"I don't care"
"You can't prove it"
" I can't prove what I hear????"
"You don't really hear it.  It's in your head"
"Wait, you're telling me what I hear??"
"You can't hear it because you can't prove it"
"What?  You're full of it"
"No your an idiot"
Quarantine

Repeat 3 months later.

[Elizabeth]

I agree.   
Some wire might sound different to some people under some situations. And not sound different to other people ever, or at least listening to the systems they have listened to.
It is clear from the posts over the years that some folks who never had heard any differences, eventually do hear a difference and 'change their minds' about the subject.
(Just a note, I also am one of those folks wo were converted..., so I notice when someone else says the same thing, "did not hear any differences and did not believe it until they heard it for themselves')
All this is fine. That there is a discourse about it is fine, That folks start to insult each other not so fine.
All I  can hope is this thread stays 'nice' ... at least nice enough to not be binned. 

[witchdoctor]

What amuses me is many of the members posting opinions have never TRIED anything but a stock power cord, never WILL try anything but a stock power cord, will never AUDITION a NEW power cord yet here they are posting away PRETENDING what it must be like to actually OWN some of the fine gear they are posting about but will NEVER try.

[witchdoctor]

Elizabeth,
But that's why we buy Bryston, rather than spending megabucks of Ultra High Definition equipment that only superior-hearing and  uniquely trained listeners can appreciate.
George
(The Ancient One)

Congratulations, you have reached a point where you are happy. Don't assume you have reached a point of PERFECTION or dissuade others who want to TRY for incremental improvements.

[dflee]

I do agree 100% with Freo-1.
His systems as he states are pretty impressive. I have watched his systems evolve
and gotta say he has a couple of winners goin. I wish I could afford to follow
that direction. My system is decent but never will be of the status of some here so
in my case to improve I must seek alternatives than getting better internal equipment.
I must have pcs, ics, and scs to make my system work and have found aftermarket
cable to be far better than what was provided. In the case of Elizabeth, The after market
cabling has taken on a different direction. In order for her system to sound better than it
would with stock cords (which I'm sure would satisfy most) has had to go megabuck including
sockets. I think it is pretty cool that she is able to improve on a great system and wish her the best.
To all the others please just respect the opinions of those who differ from yours. Science is changing
daily and might just be able to prove that things aren't what they seem some day.

Don

[PDR]

What amuses me is many of the members posting opinions have never TRIED anything but a stock power cord, never WILL try anything but a stock power cord, will never AUDITION a NEW power cord yet here they are posting away PRETENDING what it must be like to actually OWN some of the fine gear they are posting about but will NEVER try.

But....the ones that have tried different cables/cords/wire and sang their virtues, then took a
ABX test with these cables/cords/wire and realized their was no difference then was like WTF and
researched things like expectation bias and went....oh, now I understand.....

The response is.....your equipment sucks, you have to spend thousands to really hear the difference and be
specially trained AND have super sonic hearing that only a few can claim.....like me, but only if
I'm not stressed......see.....there


Give me a break....

[S Clark]

Some people legitimately hear differences in cables.  Some people legitimately don't hear any difference.  No one is going to change camps by discussion.
Can't we just say they are both right and move on?? 

[gberger]

Agree.  Also, what people hear is driven by the speakers / headphones they use for listening - - as well aa the volume they might select  for each listening session.

George

[witchdoctor]

But....the ones that have tried different cables/cords/wire and sang their virtues, then took a
ABX test with these cables/cords/wire and realized their was no difference then was like WTF and
researched things like expectation bias and went....oh, now I understand.....

The response is.....your equipment sucks, you have to spend thousands to really hear the difference and be
specially trained AND have super sonic hearing that only a few can claim.....like me, but only if
I'm not stressed......see.....there


Give me a break....



Now you are commenting about PRETEND posts... no one pasted anything like "your equipment sucks" in this thread that I saw. Give ME a break..