GMOs good or not?

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Johnny2Bad

Re: GMOs good or not?
« Reply #200 on: 19 Jun 2016, 09:47 pm »
Where do you get the idea lower oil prices raises the cost of living? Price of lower Oil should drop the cost of living. {snip}

In Canada, the value of the currency is significantly dependent on commodity prices. The fall in the value of oil is responsible for a 20 cent drop of the $C versus the USD (and oil is priced in USD).

When the currency falls in value over the short term (a few years versus, say, versus the 10 year average when stable) there is not much in the way of trade benefits (lower export prices, thus increasing sales of said exports) ... things move much more slowly than that, so you don't get the exploitation of increased demand for exports by, say, building a plant to expand production.

At the same time, imports increase in cost. How long a period before that affects you varies. A significant portion of our food imports are perishables, so the cost increase can happen in a matter of days or weeks.

With the Canadian economy, as an individual consumer, the increase in import costs affects the food budget significantly while the lowering of the cost of crude oil does not result in a similar lowering of the monthly budget (the retail price of oil does not change in proportion to the cost of crude).

Have the airlines eliminated their fuel surcharges? No, they haven't. Many companies who need long-term price stability will buy what amounts to currency insurance to minimize price fluctuations. But with food this isn't possible; the contracts are too short-lived.

Taken together, the impact on the $C is higher than the impact of lower crude prices in the consumer's budget.

Although the above is specific to Canada, it works the same elsewhere. With the US Dollar, it's somewhat different, because as the dominant world currency the US is immune to some factors that every other nation would have to deal with. (Prior to WWII, it was the British Pound that was the dominant currency and probably before this century is over, it will be the Chinese Yuan).

In essence, a trade factor that might cause the Australian Dollar (for example) to swing in value abruptly might only alter the value of the USD slightly or possibly not at all. No-one else enjoys that protection, however.

It's a complex system. In the last decade or so we've seen where the $C has ranged from roughly $US 1.10 to $US 0.70. That's a big swing.

(Plus, you and I both live in 'toon, so we experience the same local economy. We live in the province that has the highest exports as a % of GDP, so our local economy benefits the most from a fall in the $C. Plus the nature of SK export production allows us to react quickly to take advantage currency value changes. Most places in Canada don't have it as good, they pay more for imports but earnings and jobs are much slower to materialize for export earnings).

Since this reply is somewhat off-topic, I won't be replying to any subsequent posts on the subject.

OzarkTom

Re: GMOs good or not?
« Reply #201 on: 20 Jun 2016, 01:42 pm »
Monsanto’s Corrupt Senators Desperately Trying To Stop Vermont’s Impending GMO Labeling Law

http://www.march-against-monsanto.com/monsantos-corrupt-senators-desperately-trying-to-stop-vermonts-impending-gmo-labeling-law/

This is to take effect July 1.

OzarkTom

Re: GMOs good or not?
« Reply #202 on: 20 Jun 2016, 02:03 pm »
So why blame Monsanto?

"Monsanto was first to genetically modify plant cells in the early 1980s"

Here is a good article on Monsanto's GMO history.

http://www.truthwiki.org/monsanto/

Guy 13

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« Reply #203 on: 20 Jun 2016, 02:06 pm »
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the politicians are to blame as much as Monsanto !
After all, the politicians are paid by our taxes to protect us ? ? ? ?

OzarkTom

Re: GMOs good or not?
« Reply #204 on: 20 Jun 2016, 06:25 pm »
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the politicians are to blame as much as Monsanto !
After all, the politicians are paid by our taxes to protect us ? ? ? ?

Yep, so right.  :thumb: Here is a video of President Bush Sr. at Monsanto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi41QwwyZE0

werd

Re: GMOs good or not?
« Reply #205 on: 20 Jun 2016, 07:00 pm »
Thanks Johnny2bad  :thumb:


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Re: GMOs good or not?
« Reply #206 on: 20 Jun 2016, 07:22 pm »
Yep, so right.  :thumb: Here is a video of President Bush Sr. at Monsanto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi41QwwyZE0
Who controls the food controls you.

Guy 13

Re: GMOs good or not?
« Reply #207 on: 20 Jun 2016, 10:53 pm »
Yep, so right.  :thumb: Here is a video of President Bush Sr. at Monsanto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi41QwwyZE0

Thanks Tom!

OzarkTom

Re: GMOs good or not?
« Reply #208 on: 21 Jun 2016, 03:07 am »
Oops, GMO crops have a bigger yield? nope! :duh:

“The nation-wide data on maize, cotton, or soybean in the United States do not show a significant signature of genetic-technology on the rate of yield increase.”

http://www.nap.edu/read/23395/chapter/6#66


werd

Re: GMOs good or not?
« Reply #209 on: 21 Jun 2016, 04:04 am »
Oops, GMO crops have a bigger yield? nope! :duh:

“The nation-wide data on maize, cotton, or soybean in the United States do not show a significant signature of genetic-technology on the rate of yield increase.”

http://www.nap.edu/read/23395/chapter/6#66

That is why they need to quit suing the farmer. The yields are not bigger. Although they do seem to be slightly larger and only beneficial to great big huge Corp farming.

 Bottom of PG.81 about insecticide use makes recommendations that seed companies should make available to the farmer seed varieties that are useful to the farmers situation to avoid pest resistance.
Wonder if that will happen?   

It really looks like Monsanto is trying to re invent farming (or have people believe such) so they can charge more for something they can do on their own. What Monsanto is trying to do is akin to what we are seeing in the audio industry with licensing. It reminds me of MQA streaming that is being attempted. Make it sound like something great, but just ends up being a front end charge for nothing. IMO  :P

This is interesting. Thanks for the Monsanto shaming  :thumb:

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Re: GMOs good or not?
« Reply #210 on: 21 Jun 2016, 06:14 pm »
Oops, GMO crops have a bigger yield? nope! :duh:

“The nation-wide data on maize, cotton, or soybean in the United States do not show a significant signature of genetic-technology on the rate of yield increase.”

http://www.nap.edu/read/23395/chapter/6#66

Yes, the fact is organic farming is most efficient in terms of quality and yield. Those who think differently have no clue and no real experience.

werd

Re: GMOs good or not?
« Reply #211 on: 21 Jun 2016, 09:44 pm »
Yes, the fact is organic farming is most efficient in terms of quality and yield. Those who think differently have no clue and no real experience.

Dave, the report is not about organic. It's says nothing about organic. It compares GE crops vs non-GE crops. The differences were marginal and sometimes non existent.

OzarkTom

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« Reply #212 on: 27 Jun 2016, 07:15 pm »
This Grocery Store Sells Health Food For The Price of Fast-Food

http://www.ewao.com/a/grocery-store-sells-health-food-price-fast-food/

Guy 13

Re: GMOs good or not?
« Reply #213 on: 27 Jun 2016, 11:39 pm »
This Grocery Store Sells Health Food For The Price of Fast-Food

http://www.ewao.com/a/grocery-store-sells-health-food-price-fast-food/

Yes.... That's good,
but they are not in Saigon, Vietnam or Montreal, Canada.  :(
Maybe one day, when I am dead !

Guy 13

werd

Re: GMOs good or not?
« Reply #214 on: 28 Jun 2016, 02:44 am »
Finally got some labeling laws. Hopefully all the starving kids will be able to read GMO on the labels.  :duh: :lol: I guess if you gene splice different species you have to announce it on the label as GMO. Food grown swamped in Monsanto Herbicide I don't think have to label. I guess we could have a swamped in Herbicide label next.

http://thevillagessuntimes.com/2016/06/28/senators-say-compromise-reached-on-gmo-labeling-bill/


werd

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« Reply #215 on: 28 Jun 2016, 03:55 am »
Breaking news! Monsanto agrees to supply Roundup-soaked sugar packets to starving children to aid Unicef...  :duh:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/unicef-annuald-child-poverty-report-2016-1.3655492

OzarkTom

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« Reply #216 on: 3 Jul 2016, 03:50 pm »
West African Country Ditches Monsanto’s GMO Cotton & Demands Compensation

http://www.ewao.com/a/1-west-african-country-ditches-monsantos-gmo-cotton-demands-compensation/

OzarkTom

Re: GMOs good or not?
« Reply #217 on: 3 Jul 2016, 08:28 pm »
Monsanto Fingerprints Found All Over Attack On Organic Food

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stacy-malkan/monsanto-fingerprints-fou_b_10757524.html

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Re: GMOs good or not?
« Reply #218 on: 3 Jul 2016, 09:09 pm »
Big decline in the population of honey bees. Could Roundup laced crops be a cause of this?
http://naturalsociety.com/37-million-bees-found-dead-canada-large-gmo-crop-planting/

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Re: GMOs good or not?
« Reply #219 on: 4 Jul 2016, 04:00 pm »
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More than 100 Nobel laureates have a message for Greenpeace: Quit the G.M.O.-bashing. Genetically modified organisms and foods are a safe way to meet the demands of a ballooning global population, the 109 laureates wrote in a letter posted online and officially unveiled at a news conference on Thursday in Washington, D.C...

"Scientific and regulatory agencies around the world have repeatedly and consistently found crops and foods improved through biotechnology to be as safe as, if not safer than those derived from any other method of production," the group of laureates wrote. "There has never been a single confirmed case of a negative health outcome for humans or animals from their consumption. Their environmental impacts have been shown repeatedly to be less damaging to the environment, and a boon to global biodiversity."

http://m.slashdot.org/story/313193