HELP! Assistance needed~

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chgolatin2

HELP! Assistance needed~
« on: 15 Dec 2015, 04:55 pm »
Purchased what appeared to be a excellent purchase on eBay for a Mitsubishi LT-5V, the seller listed the item to be in mint, 100% working condition, etc. The seller has an excellent feedback too. After winning the bid, I contacted the seller and specifically asked for the turntable to be packaged professionally because after all, this is a vintage turntable that needed to be carefully handled.  Well, the TT arrived in a nice large box, but seller did not follow proper direction.  $18 for shipping cost doesn't seem "professional" to me~ after my initial excitement, I took out the TT, went online, got the manual for it here thankfully to this forum and I setup the TT.  Finally, testing time... Well that's where the issues begin, the tone arm moves rather slooowly, I here a clicking noise while in motion, the cart doesn't seem to track well, once it touches the grooves of the vinyl is jumps out causing the tone arm to be misaligned, this table doesn't have anti whatever that is called, skid/skadding, etc.  Fails to recognize the proper speed for the record at times, not always, depends on which record I am playing.  She does sound nice, looks awesome and I always wanted a Linear Tracking TT but this is one problematic turntable that needs some TLC.  Now, I am ordering the belts for the motor, platter, etc.  It looks to be an easy turntable to work on, however, I rather have some assistance from a professional to get this done right.  I live in Chicago, Illinois.  The only place that I can recall that works on these sort of things charge $60 an hour  :roll: :evil: the last time I was at this place I was charged $60 to glue back a part the turned on the turntable, yup $60! This place is called "electronic engineering" Now $60 to glue a part on sounds quite excessive to me and to be honest, rip off! But the receipt stated, rebuilt switch!~   :nono: BS!~  So I am looking for recommendations to get this turntable worked the right way... I can do the tune up, switching the belts, etc that's not an issue but if it has an issue with the electronics on it well that's where I fall short.. The seller wants to refund $100 but I don't that will solve the issue with this turntable, because it may turned out to be far worth more than $100, so I'm upset~

Thank you all in advance~

*Scotty*

Re: HELP! Assistance needed~
« Reply #1 on: 15 Dec 2015, 05:11 pm »
chogolatin2, here is a link to the Mitsubishi service manual for the LT-5V http://www.vinylengine.com/ve_downloads/index.php?mitsubishi_diatone/mitsubishi_lt-5v_service.pdf
Hope this helps.
Scotty

bacobits1

Re: HELP! Assistance needed~
« Reply #2 on: 15 Dec 2015, 05:26 pm »
$60/hr is cheap. Most of the time it's $125/hr.
Linears can be complicated especially if Automatic.
The shipper/ seller is responsible for anything not working and poor packing.
Up to you, I'd ship it back.
I know this doesn't help much. Sorry.

Oooo man, Just looked that one up it's a monstrosity of mechanics and electronics.
Stick to manual tables.

 

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Re: HELP! Assistance needed~
« Reply #3 on: 15 Dec 2015, 05:30 pm »

Linears can be complicated especially if Automatic.
Yep. Sad to say, there's a reason that most used linear tt are not working.  If you bought it as a "working" TT, then I'd try to return it. 

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Re: HELP! Assistance needed~
« Reply #4 on: 16 Dec 2015, 01:13 am »
Geez, maybe you should have asked before you bought the table?   I agree, you should return it.  It wasn't as advertised and that should be all you need.  Return the belts too.

Assuming the SL-1600 is good to go, did you get a cart?  I see you're asking about < $200 phono stages.  Maybe it's time to settle down and maximize what you've got.  If you're busy running around spending more money trying to fix this table.....

BTW, most professional packers don't know how to pack a table.
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Re: HELP! Assistance needed~
« Reply #5 on: 16 Dec 2015, 01:57 am »
$60/hr is cheap. Most of the time it's $125/hr.
Linears can be complicated especially if Automatic.
The shipper/ seller is responsible for anything not working and poor packing.
Up to you, I'd ship it back.
I know this doesn't help much. Sorry.

Oooo man, Just looked that one up it's a monstrosity of mechanics and electronics.
Stick to manual tables.

I agree with that!: "Linears can be complicated"

see what i said about linear tt

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=139328.msg1484208#msg1484208

cheers... :green:

chgolatin2

Re: HELP! Assistance needed~
« Reply #6 on: 16 Dec 2015, 06:05 am »
$60/hr is cheap. Most of the time it's $125/hr.
Linears can be complicated especially if Automatic.
The shipper/ seller is responsible for anything not working and poor packing.
Up to you, I'd ship it back.
I know this doesn't help much. Sorry.

Oooo man, Just looked that one up it's a monstrosity of mechanics and electronics.
Stick to manual tables.

$125 an hour???  Is this my german vehicle mechanic prices?? lol~  No thanks~  The problem with this place is that they want you pay a deposit first before doing anything, they won't even consider giving you an estimate without you forking over some $$$

chgolatin2

Re: HELP! Assistance needed~
« Reply #7 on: 16 Dec 2015, 06:06 am »
Geez, maybe you should have asked before you bought the table?   I agree, you should return it.  It wasn't as advertised and that should be all you need.  Return the belts too.

Assuming the SL-1600 is good to go, did you get a cart?  I see you're asking about < $200 phono stages.  Maybe it's time to settle down and maximize what you've got.  If you're busy running around spending more money trying to fix this table.....

BTW, most professional packers don't know how to pack a table.
neo

Neo, I asked in informed the shipper to packed this table correctly... According to the listing, it states "mint condition, 100% working" clean etc etc...  Sooooooo... But I don't want to return the TT, I want to solve the issue, atleast the seller is willing to work with me and provide me with some form of refund, I'm not sure if $100 will solve the problem though~

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« Reply #8 on: 16 Dec 2015, 07:40 am »
chgolatin2, if you look at the service manual you will see that this thing is a an electro-mechanical nightmare from hell. This thing is as much as 32 years old. The heart of this thing is 7 ICs, which appear to be unobtainium at this point in time as none of them are available from Mouser or DigiKey.  The 56 discrete transistors in the circuitry also appear to unobtainium from any supplier. This means that the circuit boards are probably not repairable if something has gone wrong somewhere.
Knowing this, I would walk away from this table rapidly enough that smoke would come from the soles of my shoes.
Scotty

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« Reply #9 on: 16 Dec 2015, 12:05 pm »
I would return it also.  Put the money into the 1600 or shop local.  You say you are in Chicago so Craigslist and local shops must have a decent selection to try before you buy.

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Re: HELP! Assistance needed~
« Reply #10 on: 16 Dec 2015, 12:19 pm »
$125 an hour???  Is this my german vehicle mechanic prices?? lol~  No thanks~  The problem with this place is that they want you pay a deposit first before doing anything, they won't even consider giving you an estimate without you forking over some $$$

It's reasonable to pay that kind of money for your car, and half that rate is unreasonable for your electronics?   Most places have a minimum fee to look at your piece and yours was $60.  Why should they give you a free estimate?  That takes time.  They tell you what's wrong and you DIY - they wind up working for free.   If all they did was replace a switch or whatever, why didn't you DIY ? 
Seems to me you're the one being unreasonable.
neo

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Re: HELP! Assistance needed~
« Reply #11 on: 16 Dec 2015, 12:37 pm »
You bought it on eBay so what you need to do seems pretty clear to me.  Since you are covered by eBay's buyer protection policy you should log into eBay and start a return for your purchase.  If the seller represented that it was 100% working and it doesn't work then you can put on the return request that the item isn't as described.  You MUST go through the process to get your money back.  I have even done this for listings where the seller expressly states they don't take returns.  If the seller doesn't cooperate then you can escalate your return request to a claim.

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« Reply #12 on: 16 Dec 2015, 01:00 pm »
Neo, I asked in informed the shipper to packed this table correctly... According to the listing, it states "mint condition, 100% working" clean etc etc...  Sooooooo... But I don't want to return the TT, I want to solve the issue, atleast the seller is willing to work with me and provide me with some form of refund, I'm not sure if $100 will solve the problem though~

Okay, what's done is done.  All you can do in any given situation is choose from alternatives.  How are you going to spend your time and money, playing records or collecting old cool looking tables?  Nothing wrong with either, but if you want to collect old tables like this Mitsu, maybe you should learn some  repair. 
Something to consider - just because the table was advertised as 100% working doesn't mean it was. 
It's not working correctly right now and it could be un-repairable.
If it was working correctly before you got it, you can try tuning it up with the new belts when you get them, but you shouldn't need them.  Why don't you read the service manual about tonearm adjustment and see if you can get it working properly? 

We can't fix it from a distance and you're unwilling to pay a repair place.  If you were, you could easily wind up paying more than the table is worth.
I'd try to minimize the loss.  Good luck if you keep it.  Maybe we can help figure it out.
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Re: HELP! Assistance needed~
« Reply #13 on: 16 Dec 2015, 02:41 pm »
Send it back.  Parts will be hard to come by on that table as it was only made for a year or two and has a ton of sensors in it.