[Mad DOg]

Have the moderators ever considered banning manufacturers from posting in certain circles?
If so, would someone point me to that discussion? I'd be strongly in favor of that rule.

Thanks

if you feel strongly about it, maybe start a poll in town square for folks to vote on...

I second that - great idea.

keep in mind that you and robert are also manufacturers so if the vote goes thru, you would not be able to post in certain circles either.

[Steve Rothermel]

This was a consideration when I posted. As long as I consider there is a home here, somewhere, I feel nothing is lost.

[jpsartre]

Say what you want about Tyson but one day BC is in his house -literally- and the next he locks him up when warranted. Can't accuse the dude for favoritism!

[Rick Craig]

Have the moderators ever considered banning manufacturers from posting in certain circles?
If so, would someone point me to that discussion? I'd be strongly in favor of that rule.

Thanks

In some cases that would help; however, as a manufacturer I think we should be able to defend ourselves if someone else is using a circle to unfairly criticize us. I do think the moderators have done a good job and are very tolerant; in fact, if it were me I probably would've given a few companies the boot for their unethical behavior.

[_scotty_]

I think manufacturers should never be barred from commenting in all circles.
This puts the burden on them to maintain their  composure and professional demeanor when talking in public. We should by rights hold them to a higher standard than the average Joe who comments here.  
When they publically " loose it " in front of everyone this gives us valuable insight into
the character of the operator of a firm we may be contemplating doing business with.

   The chance for manufacturers to make fools of themselves
is a precious resource that should be protected. It is never too late to learn something new whether it is about how a product can be changed or improved to appeal to a wider segment of the buying public or how to respond  when everyone doesn't agree with your point of view. A constructive dialogue is not the only means of learning something here even if it may be the most pleasant way to aquire knowledge.

  Manufacturers should always remember that their comments are viewed and judged by more than the person that they are immediately replying to in the course of a conflict or conversation and act accordingly.
 I think we learned lot from the comments here and in the locked thread.
We might have learned more if a constructive dialgue had occurred between Brian and Danny but the information that was made available
as a result of the listening test between the stock and modified 626Rs
was still valuable and my hat is off to Eric for organizing and conducting
such a test. Happy Trails, Scotty

[Danny Richie]

Hi guys,

I was not intending to make any responses in this thread either but the subject matter now seams to have changed to inquire as to being able to discuss a subject without the manufacturers that the subject involves getting involved.

Simple solution really is to just ask whomever to not respond in a particular thread. I for one would be glad to oblige.

For the record: The only reason I even responded in the locked thread was because I was asked to.

First, Marbles asked me to post my responses to him that I had at first only PM'ed.

I do encourage you to post your response in the thread.

Secondly, Eric Hider asked me to explain why a specific aspect was different.

I'm wondering how the hell these speakers are so different in this aspect. Perhaps Danny can explain?).

This required a technical response.

I also added in my post a question to Brian asking about something that he had promised on another forum. While certainly civil, it may have further motivated him to respond to me with his personal attack and name calling.

For this portion of my post I apologize to all of you as it undoubtedly fueled what then caused the thread to be locked.  

Since many feel like there was still interest in continuing discussion in the closed thread, then start a new one and simply ask specific individuals to not respond.

If there arises specific questions for one of those asked not to respond in the thread then take the question to that persons forum in the form of a new thread and ask the question there.  

Just my 2 cents...

[ehider]

Danny,

Earlier in this thread Brian stated that he wouldn't warranty any speakers that you (or others) modify. Do you plan on offering warranty services for the VMPS speakers that you modify?

[Marbles]

As a response to those wishing to limit where manufacturers can and cannot post, my position and the position of this Forum will be (unless Borg over rules me):

Manufactures are a resource that we have that few forums do.  Manufacturers are some of the most knowlageable audiophiles.
They are welcome and ENCOURAGED to post wherever they want on this board as long as they follow the previously established rules as stated in the FAQ section.

They should have a chance to defend themselves, again staying within the rules as set in the FAQ, when they do.

[DVV]

I think manufacturers should never be barred from commenting in all circles.
This puts the burden on them to maintain their  composure and professional demeanor when talking in public. We should by rights hold them to a higher standard than the average Joe who comments here.  
When they publically " loose it " in front of everyone this gives us valuable insight into
the character of the operator of a firm we may be contemplating doing business with.

   The chance for manufacturers to make fools of th ...

I see Scotty has had one yoghurt too many, he's into writing novels again.

But seriously, I second Scotty's views, letter by letter. Yes, things can and do get out of hand once in a while, but that would happen anyway, one way or another, somebody always has some steam to blow off.

The crux of it all is what Scotty quite rightly points out - whatever a manufacturer does, he will be judged by as many as are following that thread. I see this as an automatic corrective factor, because if somebody comes across in a bad way, and knowing people do talk, he's very likely to do himself serious damage.

If they were banned from any thread anywhere, again sooner or later some dummy would come along and have a field day with them - without them being able to even defend their own good name. That's a poor "solution", in my view.

As for the moderators, well, I also think they are doing a hell of a good job. Tolerance has a very real meaning here, which is why this is one of only two lists I hang out on.

Cheers,
DVV

[DVV]

As a response to those wishing to limit where manufacturers can and cannot post, my position and the position of this Forum will be (unless Borg over rules me):

Manufactures are a resource that we have that few forums do.  Manufacturers are some of the most knowlageable audiophiles.
They are welcome and ENCOURAGED to post wherever they want on this board as long as they follow the previously established rules as stated in the FAQ section.

They should have a chance to defend themselves, again staying within the rules as set in the FAQ, when they do.

Amen!

Cheers,
DVV

[_scotty_]

DW, Don't knock the yoghurt until you have tried it. I eat only the best
made from pure miak.  Hiccup,Scotty

[Danny Richie]

Danny,

Earlier in this thread Brian stated that he wouldn't warranty any speakers that you (or others) modify. Do you plan on offering warranty services for the VMPS speakers that you modify?

I have modded A LOT of commercial speakers and have yet to ever hear of a failure in any way of any that I have ever modded.

I would never send out anything or redesign any speaker in such a way that would result in the probability of driver failure under normal use.

If there were to be any driver failures under normal use then I would certainly cover the cost of any replacement drivers.

All of our crossover components are under warranty as well.

[DVV]

DW, Don't knock the yoghurt until you have tried it. I eat only the best
made from pure miak.  Hiccup,Scotty

Who's knocking it, Scotty? I'm a yoghurt man myself, not a day passes without me drinking my pint. Over here, yoghurt is drunk, and what you guys think of as yoghurt is called "sour milk" over here.

If you should ever come this way, I'll be only too happy to introduce you to some milk-based products you never knew even existed, one of which is strangely enough available only in Serbia. That's the one everybody gets stuck on.

Modded milk, if you like.

For Rob, better known as Marbles, we also have some highly modded plums, tweaked to a liquid substance containing about 42% of alcohol, very tasty. Then some derivates of wine, also with 42% of alcohol.

For Nathan, we have a good crop of girls, typically natural blondes and auburns, typically from 5'3'' upwards, 5'10'' to 6' not being uncommon, which I have been told are great looking (I grew up here, so I'm used to them).

Come investigate, tweak at will.

Cheers,
DVV

[Marbles]

Hey man, can't I have the booze and the girls????? (just don't tell Mrs. Marbles)

[ctviggen]

I would hope that no one who reads these threads gets turned off by them to the point where they won't consider speakers by these manufacturers.  I've fallen into this trap myself.  However, I've listened to a ton of speakers in the 4-8k range and some in a higher range (I liked Wilson Watt Puppies and Thiels, both of which were on my short list), and the VMPS RM40s best any speaker I've heard in that range and I think match the Watt Puppies and Thiels (though have a different characteristic, too).  I'm sure Danny's speakers are also good enough in this regard.

[byteme]

I would hope that no one who reads these threads gets turned off by them to the point where they won't consider speakers by these manufacturers.  I've fallen into this trap myself.  However, I've listened to a ton of speakers in the 4-8k range and some in a higher range (I liked Wilson Watt Puppies and Thiels, both of which were on my short list), and the VMPS RM40s best any speaker I've heard in that range and I think match the Watt Puppies and Thiels (though have a different characteristic, too).  I'm sure Danny's speakers are also good enough in this regard.

I don't see how it wouldn't.  With all the other options out there and the effort it takes to narrow them down getting rid of a couple out of hand might help.  And while these threads may not be the only reason to dismiss them it, among other things, certainly played into my decision.

[audiojerry]

Byteme, sorry for going off topic (which was beginning to happen anyways), but I had a few moments to click on your gallery, and wanted to compliment you on the great job you did putting together your system, and your meticulous attention to detail. I'm sure it has paid off. I also think it was very considerate to post details of the careful steps you have taken to tweak. They provide some very helpful advice.

[byteme]

Byteme, sorry for going off topic (which was beginning to happen anyways), but I had a few moments to click on your gallery, and wanted to compliment you on the great job you did putting together your system, and your meticulous attention to detail. I'm sure it has paid off. I also think it was very considerate to post details of the careful steps you have taken to tweak. They provide some very helpful advice.

Wow, thanks!     I'm blushing!  Hope it has helped someone, it would be great to be able to give a little back.

[nathanm]

This thread gave me the idea to treat my VMPS passive radiators with yogurt.  Will they be covered under warranty, though?  I'd do it myself, not have Danny do it of course.

[byteme]

This thread gave me the idea to treat my VMPS passive radiators with yogurt.  Will they be covered under warranty, though?  I'd do it myself, not have Danny do it of course.

Whoa - radical.  Who'd ever think of putting a goopy white liquid on VMPS PRs?  Would you call that Yougurtrification?  How long before the yogurt breaks in?  Would you use plain, pre mixed, fruit on the bottom?  If I didn't stir the yogurt quite as much as you do would I get different results?

Many, many questions to answer!  Keep us posted...if it doesn't affect warranty.