USB DSD interface ?

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Folsom

USB DSD interface ?
« on: 19 Jul 2015, 01:14 am »
Hi, anyone seen something that puts out two channel DSD but no DAC/filter? I've got some thoughts on making a fun "DAC" but would rather play with a pre-made interface before I work at designing both.

DSkip

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Re: USB DSD interface ?
« Reply #1 on: 19 Jul 2015, 02:14 am »
Do you mean like a computer?

Folsom

Re: USB DSD interface ?
« Reply #2 on: 19 Jul 2015, 03:06 am »
I have a computer.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-line-level/273474-best-dac-no-dac.html

He's using one. I'm just seeing what's out there.

JohnR

Re: USB DSD interface ?
« Reply #3 on: 19 Jul 2015, 03:21 am »
Interesting. I suppose any USB-I2S board (that supports DSD) would work, Amanero is another one. And there's this one that is more specific about DSD: http://hifimediy.com/DACs?product_id=176

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Re: USB DSD interface ?
« Reply #4 on: 19 Jul 2015, 03:25 am »
Interesting. I suppose any USB-I2S board (that supports DSD) would work, Amanero is another one. And there's this one that is more specific about DSD: http://hifimediy.com/DACs?product_id=176

That's interesting. They sell an HDMI board for separating, too.

This all looks like fun so far!


barrows

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Re: USB DSD interface ?
« Reply #5 on: 19 Jul 2015, 04:35 am »
Sonore USB interface is fully DSD capable and offers complete isolation of the clocks and data stream generation from USB, as well as very low phase noise clocking (Crystek CCHD oscillators):

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=127689.0
« Last Edit: 20 Jul 2015, 03:48 am by barrows »

Folsom

Re: USB DSD interface ?
« Reply #6 on: 20 Jul 2015, 03:31 am »
Sonore USB interface is fully DSD capable and offers complete isloation of the clocks and data stream generation from USB, as well as very low phase noise clocking (Crystek CCHD oscillators):

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=127689.0

I asked over there too...

Does it have DC on the DSD output?

JohnR

Re: USB DSD interface ?
« Reply #7 on: 20 Jul 2015, 03:56 am »
I assume it would, it would be a logic level signal.

Folsom

Re: USB DSD interface ?
« Reply #8 on: 20 Jul 2015, 03:59 am »
I assume it would, it would be a logic level signal.

As far as I've figured out, on some boards it does at different times, but not always. There's no specific reason to have it. Signal in the mhz range.

barrows

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Re: USB DSD interface ?
« Reply #9 on: 20 Jul 2015, 04:01 am »
I do not know about DC levels, but I can measure mine at some point.  DSD and PCM (I2S) are multiplexed on the same outputs and meet the input spec of the ESS 9018 DAC chip.
Might take me a few days to measure as I am quite busy, if you do not hear from me on this thread, feel free to send a friendly reminder via PM.
I tell ya though, I am not much of a fan of a fully passive filter only approach for DSD, having heard some attempts at it.  Are you planning an active approach, or just a passive filter and no noise shaping?  The necessary filters seem to need to be so strong and so close to the audio band as to cause problems, of course, DSD x4 could be a lot better, and using HQPlayer might solve a lot of the issues.

Folsom

Re: USB DSD interface ?
« Reply #10 on: 20 Jul 2015, 04:15 am »
I've got ideas, and no, it wouldn't be just a passive device. However DC might saturate part of it.