Rock/Electronic Speakers vs. Jazz/Classical Speakers

vpolineni · « **Reply #40 on:** 27 Sep 2004, 07:58 pm »

Quote from: Mad DOg

the bass was *ok*. not as fast, dynamic and punchy as i've heard from other speakers. a good deal of overhang which could've been room induced. side firing woofs require alot of experiment ...

Mad Dog,
when you auditioned the gallos, were you running the 2nd voice coils with a separate amp?

djbnh · « **Reply #41 on:** 27 Sep 2004, 09:44 pm »

I have a pair of tweaked, well maintained SDA 1-Cs in a dedicated audio room that perform extremely well: huge soundstage, imaging is excellent, wonderful frequency response including low end, etc. I do feel the mids, with some music, may not be the pinnacle of resolution, but I've also read that about umpteen other speakers. I feel, from my time spent auditioning, that I'd have to lay out some serious cash to outperform the SDA 1-Cs, in my system with my components. I elect not to outlay that $$$.

Each to their own respective ears and wallets be true. What works for me in my system may not work for you. Because someone disses or likes my components is moot to me. I feel blessed to have what I have.

Best of luck in your selection/rejection process - I do not envy you!

ctviggen · « **Reply #42 on:** 27 Sep 2004, 09:57 pm »

Was that 110db a dynamic 110db? I have a hard time listening to 85db of pink noise to set up my speakers and I never come close to that during normal listening (where "close" is an average listening level, not transients, though I doubt that I have 110db transients). As for changing tastes, my friend sold me his Linn speakers when his tastes changed from rock to jazz. He went to Vienna Acoustics, which are more detailed than the Linns. I've since gone from Linn to VMPS RM40s, although I listen to a wide variety of stuff (not much jazz, though).

Mad DOg · « **Reply #43 on:** 27 Sep 2004, 10:16 pm »

Quote from: ctviggen

Was that 110db a dynamic 110db? I have a hard time listening to 85db of pink noise to set up my speakers and I never come close to that during normal listening (where "close" is an average listening level, not transients, though I doubt that I have 110db transients). As for changing tastes, my friend sold me his Linn speakers when his tastes changed from rock to jazz. He went to Vienna Acoustics, which are more detailed than the Linns. I've since gone from Linn to VMPS RM40s, although I listen to a wide variety of stuff (not much jazz, though).

from my experience, linn speakers generally sound darker and heavier. this matches well with poorly recorded rock cds which are often harsh and brighter. it may be that the linn speakers are designed to work w/ the linn gear tho since the linn unidisk sounded pretty fantastic in my system. i've not heard their integrated amps before.

Mad DOg · « **Reply #44 on:** 27 Sep 2004, 10:18 pm »

Quote from: vpolineni

Quote from: Mad DOg

the bass was *ok*. not as fast, dynamic and punchy as i've heard from other speakers. a good deal of overhang which could've been room induced. side firing woofs require alot of experiment ...

Mad Dog,
when you auditioned the gallos, were you running the 2nd voice coils with a separate amp?

no, the optional amp was not available yet...

Afterimage · « **Reply #45 on:** 25 Oct 2004, 02:21 am »

I have experienced what this thread is about first hand. I own the Dali Euphonia MS 4. Its in my main system. It's a very enjoyable speaker that does all genres well. However, I don't listen to most genres. I listen to mainly pop/rock and the Green Mountain Europas for a lot less money are better for the kind of music I listen to. I am currently searching for speakers to replace the Dali's for my main system. One thing I like about the Dali's, is they were easy on the ears. Is there such a thing as a speaker that excells at rock, but does not leave your ears ringing? Recomendations?

JoshK · « **Reply #46 on:** 25 Oct 2004, 02:35 am »

90-95% of my music listening is rock (all over the spectrum of rock) and I find the VMPS Rm40's the only speaker I have heard to date that satisfy my rock craving. Go full range or go home. You can get there by more than one means of course.

For rock I think that -1db or so on the tweet pot is a good thing, other music would want more, this is why I am devising settings for my pots so that I can tweak my RM40's for different listening session. Some may not want to go to the trouble but I have never heard a monitor or even floorstanding 2 1/2 way that I thought really did any justice to music that I'd listen to.

Afterimage · « **Reply #47 on:** 25 Oct 2004, 12:13 pm »

The VMPS RM 40s are huge. I'm not sure I'd want a that big of a footprint in my 15 by 21 room. However, your not the first person that has said that are outstanding with rock. May have to check them out anyway.

doug s. · « **Reply #48 on:** 25 Oct 2004, 12:42 pm »

Quote from: Afterimage

The VMPS RM 40s are huge. I'm not sure I'd want a that big of a footprint in my 15 by 21 room. However, your not the first person that has said that are outstanding with rock. May have to check them out anyway.

you may wanna check out the rm30's w/subs - some folks say they are better than the rm40's, except for the bottom octave...

doug s.

ctviggen · « **Reply #49 on:** 25 Oct 2004, 12:48 pm »

The RM-40s are massive and are bigger in person than pictures show.

ctviggen · « **Reply #50 on:** 25 Oct 2004, 12:56 pm »

I added my gallery link to my signature. I'm using the center-channel of the RM30s on my TV and RM40s are also shown. Even this picture doesn't do the RM40s justice. That's a 57 inch RPTV and matching stand. The sub is an SV sub, which are tall. The RM40s are big speakers, and the RM30s definitely are less intrusive/obtrusive.

Afterimage · « **Reply #51 on:** 25 Oct 2004, 06:17 pm »

I went to the VMPS website, but I could not find the RM 30s.

Q_surf · « **Reply #52 on:** 25 Oct 2004, 06:31 pm »

DANGEROUS RM40's!!!!

i recently switched from Martin Logan CLS's with a Legacy sub to the RM40's.

the CLS's were exceptional for any accoustic music reproduction, but they didn't "boogey" nearly enough for rock or electronica.

the RM40's sound so hair-raisingly real, that i'm finding my listening volume on critical listening sessions to actually be less that i've ever used. i find that i'm now setting my volume to whatever i would expect a "live" performance to be.

the problem with the RM40's when you want to crank up some rock or electronica is that they don't warn you that they are playing EXTREMELY LOUD - as most speakers would begin to compress, distrort, and YELL at you. the RM40's sound as relaxed, at ease, and unstrained at 105+ db as they do at 90, so you get fooled into increasing the volume over and over through your listening session as your ears become more damped. until finally you realize that you've caused structural damage to your house and the sherrif has been pounding on your door for the past 20 minutes.

don't worry about the size of the RM40's - they sound so damned good your eyes remain closed and you won't want to leave your room anymore anyways.

Afterimage · « **Reply #53 on:** 25 Oct 2004, 10:09 pm »

Hey Q-Surf, I am a big Bob Mould fan too. Anyway, I'm not worried about the size of the RM 40s, but my wife has final say. So, will the RM 30s get me close to the 40s? I already have a sub. Thanks

doug s. · « **Reply #54 on:** 26 Oct 2004, 12:49 pm »

Quote from: Afterimage

Hey Q-Surf, I am a big Bob Mould fan too. Anyway, I'm not worried about the size of the RM 40s, but my wife has final say. So, will the RM 30s get me close to the 40s? I already have a sub. Thanks

dunno why brian hasn't updated his website yet, but thee rm30's are on the vmps-europe site:
http://www.vmpseurope.com/
http://www.vmpseurope.com/e/p-rm30.htm
they are also awailable w/o the side-firing woofer, for those who wanna use subs.

re: getting close to the 40's, except for low bass, some folk think they are *better* than the 40's... re: you having a sub awreddy, get another - two are always better for music...

doug s.