"Can Omegas play loud?"

McNubbins · « **on:** 13 Feb 2015, 04:43 am »

Well, a man knocked on my door today to tell me that even with only 6 watts of T-amp power, they were certainly loud enough for him.

G Georgopoulos · « **Reply #1 on:** 13 Feb 2015, 06:07 am »

i dont think so
having seen the magnet size of tweeters(high efficiency)
is astonishing
i dont know how a single full ranger speaker can match that
note that the cone is heavy
especially at treble
only multiway speakers are high efficiency

kind regards...

Canada Rob · « **Reply #2 on:** 13 Feb 2015, 06:26 am »

Quote from: G Georgopoulos on 13 Feb 2015, 06:07 am

i dont think so
having seen the magnet size of tweeters(high efficiency)
is astonishing
i dont know how a single full ranger speaker can match that
note that the cone is heavy
especially at treble
only multiway speakers are high efficiency

kind regards...

This post is rather difficult to understand. Please clarify.

FullRangeMan · « **Reply #3 on:** 13 Feb 2015, 07:05 am »

Quote from: G Georgopoulos on 13 Feb 2015, 06:07 am

i dont think so
having seen the magnet size of tweeters(high efficiency)
is astonishing
i dont know how a single full ranger speaker can match that
note that the cone is heavy
especially at treble
only multiway speakers are high efficiency

kind regards...

Odd statement as FR have no tweeters.
Hi sound quality FR usually have low power handling, currently not possible have high sound quality and hi power handling.
If a driver have both suspect him, it may be a pro audio or automotive driver.

srb · « **Reply #4 on:** 13 Feb 2015, 07:37 am »

Quote from: G Georgopoulos on 13 Feb 2015, 06:07 am

i dont think so ..... only multiway speakers are high efficiency

OMEGA MONITOR SPEAKERS
Super 3 Desktop: 94.5dB @ 8 ohms
Super 3i Monitor: 94.5dB @ 8 ohms
Super 7 Monitor MK2: 95dB @ 8 ohms
Super Alnico Monitor: 93dB @ 8 ohms

OMEGA TOWER SPEAKERS
Super 3XRS: 94.5dB @ 8 ohms
Super 7XRS MK2: 95dB @ 8 ohms
Super Alnico XRS: 93dB @ 8 ohms

All speaker models range from 93dB to 95dB sensitivity. While they may not have super-high sensitivities of 98dB and above, they are clearly in the high sensitivity camp.

Steve

DBC · « **Reply #5 on:** 13 Feb 2015, 02:28 pm »

Quote from: Canada Rob on 13 Feb 2015, 06:26 am

This post is rather difficult to understand. Please clarify.

DITTO THAT.

RDavidson · « **Reply #6 on:** 13 Feb 2015, 08:07 pm »

Quote from: G Georgopoulos on 13 Feb 2015, 06:07 am

i dont think so
having seen the magnet size of tweeters(high efficiency)
is astonishing
i dont know how a single full ranger speaker can match that
note that the cone is heavy
especially at treble
only multiway speakers are high efficiency

kind regards...

This makes ZERO sense. FR drivers can play loud. Of course, with ANY driver / speaker design, distortion will increase as output level increases. No number of drivers used in any design overcomes this fact, if you're argument is that multiway speakers can play louder with less distortion. It's all relative.

You're making a statement about oranges when we're clearly talking about apples.

ZLS · « **Reply #7 on:** 13 Feb 2015, 08:40 pm »

Until a person has heard what the 4 1/2" Driver can do with 6 watts,

it is difficult (if not impossible) to believe how big it sounds, and how loud it plays.

I believe this is the point the op is trying to make.

And yes, I have been asked to turn my 4 1/2" Omega's down.

Good Times · « **Reply #8 on:** 14 Feb 2015, 01:17 pm »

Quote from: G Georgopoulos on 13 Feb 2015, 06:07 am

i dont think so
having seen the magnet size of tweeters(high efficiency)
is astonishing
i dont know how a single full ranger speaker can match that
note that the cone is heavy
especially at treble
only multiway speakers are high efficiency

kind regards...

You're an "industry participant" and you post this? It is incorrect.

srb · « **Reply #9 on:** 14 Feb 2015, 02:30 pm »

Quote from: Good Times on 14 Feb 2015, 01:17 pm

You're an "industry participant" and you post this? It is incorrect.

It was not specified what industry is being participated in.

Guy 13 · « **Reply #10 on:** 14 Feb 2015, 03:21 pm »

Quote from: G Georgopoulos on 13 Feb 2015, 06:07 am

i dont think so
having seen the magnet size of tweeters(high efficiency)
is astonishing
i dont know how a single full ranger speaker can match that
note that the cone is heavy
especially at treble
only multiway speakers are high efficiency

kind regards...

Hi Georgopoulos.
Sorry to say, but what you wrote make no sense at all to me
and I am sure to other AC members.
Can you re-phrase/write that?
To me, look like what you are saying is that a tweeter
with a big magnet can play louder than a full range driver.
Is that what you are saying?
Waiting for a new post from you that make more sense to all us us.
Plus clarify your point.
Thanks.

Guy 13

Bemopti123 · « **Reply #11 on:** 14 Feb 2015, 03:56 pm »

Quote from: Guy 13 on 14 Feb 2015, 03:21 pm

Hi Georgopoulos.
Sorry to say, but what you wrote make no sense at all to me
and I am sure to other AC members.
Can you re-phrase/write that?
To me, look like what you are saying is that a tweeter
with a big magnet can play louder than a full range driver.
Is that what you are saying?
Waiting for a new post from you that make more sense to all us us.
Plus clarify your point.
Thanks.

Guy 13

Is he simply saying that he does not believe that fullrange drivers with heavier cones can compete with multi driver systems with specialized tweeter units, with larger magnets. Thus, he is saying, separate tweeters with helping elements will rule in the higher frequencies in comparison to fullrange drivers that attempt to do it across the range.

srb · « **Reply #12 on:** 14 Feb 2015, 04:17 pm »

The topic title was "Can Omegas play loud?" and the OP said that he was told by someone that with a 6W amplifier they were certainly loud enough for him.

To which the reply was "I don't think so ..... only multiway speakers are high efficiency"

McNubbins · « **Reply #13 on:** 14 Feb 2015, 08:45 pm »

Quote from: ZLS on 13 Feb 2015, 08:40 pm

Until a person has heard what the 4 1/2" Driver can do with 6 watts,

it is difficult (if not impossible) to believe how big it sounds, and how loud it plays.

I believe this is the point the op is trying to make.

And yes, I have been asked to turn my 4 1/2" Omega's down.

ZLS, thanks for getting it.

srb, I'm the one with the 6 watt amp. It was my neighbour who told me they were loud.

I don't know why Mr. Georgopoulos started talking about tweeters. We all know a full range one-way speaker is a compromise, just like a multi-way one. I imagine that most of us are here in the Omega Speaker Systems Circle because it's a compromise we find compelling.

I thought my little joke was worth posting for any naysayers who wouldn't have believed getting asked to turn down your (horn-less) low power single driver system was possible.

bladesmith · « **Reply #14 on:** 15 Feb 2015, 07:38 pm »

Speakers "sensitivity rating", "power handling rating" and "overall system synergy" would generally be the first thing I would look at, when determining how loud they can get ?

(Generally speaking, of course, I would have to start there. But, I must also say, that those Omega's look sweet and I am a little envious of anyone that has a pair.)

JLM · « **Reply #15 on:** 15 Feb 2015, 08:42 pm »

Quote from: bladesmith on 15 Feb 2015, 07:38 pm

Speakers "sensitivity rating", "power handling rating" and "overall system synergy" would generally be the first thing I would look at, when determining how loud they can get ?

(Generally speaking, of course, I would have to start there. But, I must also say, that those Omega's look sweet and I am a little envious of anyone that has a pair.)

+1

Haven't stated it in a while, but as a public service announcement, continuous exposure to 85 dB will result in permanent hearing loss and possible permanent tinnitus. Most audiophiles I've shared the past-time with listen at or below an average of 85 dB (not the same as continuous). Because of their high efficiencies, it would only take 0.1 watts per channel for Omegas to reach 85 dB. At 1.0 watt input, Omega's will reach 94 - 97 dB, so yes, like nearly any loudspeaker Omega speakers can play loud IMO.

Without plugging numbers into the discussion and defining other parameters (like room size, speaker/listener setup) no qualified answer is possible.

DaveC113 · « **Reply #16 on:** 15 Feb 2015, 10:07 pm »

It really depends on the music, if there is significant energy below the tuning frequency of the box then you'll run into the driver's excursion limits quickly, if not then it'll be able to play much louder.

Since I'm running the Crown XLS amp I use the 50 hz high pass and this keeps the excursion in check while still allowing easy blending with a sub. So if you do need more volume this setup will allow much higher volumes when playing bass heavy music.

FullRangeMan · « **Reply #17 on:** 16 Feb 2015, 09:37 pm »

Quote from: JLM on 15 Feb 2015, 08:42 pm

+1

Haven't stated it in a while, but as a public service announcement, continuous exposure to 85 dB will result in permanent hearing loss and possible permanent tinnitus. Most audiophiles I've shared the past-time with listen at or below an average of 85 dB (not the same as continuous). Because of their high efficiencies, it would only take 0.1 watts per channel for Omegas to reach 85 dB. At 1.0 watt input, Omega's will reach 94 - 97 dB, so yes, like nearly any loudspeaker Omega speakers can play loud IMO.

Without plugging numbers into the discussion and defining other parameters (like room size, speaker/listener setup) no qualified answer is possible.

Do you have the no% value? from some drivers?

JLM · « **Reply #18 on:** 17 Feb 2015, 12:37 am »

Quote from: FullRangeMan on 16 Feb 2015, 09:37 pm

Do you have the no% value? from some drivers?

Sorry, don't understand what you're trying to say.

FullRangeMan · « **Reply #19 on:** 17 Feb 2015, 12:59 am »

Quote from: JLM on 17 Feb 2015, 12:37 am

Sorry, don't understand what you're trying to say.

The electric efficiency in %.