Panzerolz

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Captainhemo

Panzerolz
« on: 14 Jan 2015, 02:21 am »
Have any of yo guys  had any experience using Panzerholz  for   any projects  ?  A friend is thinking of using it   for an upcoming H-frame project and I was  just  curious to  know  experience/opinions

I did come across this   , some  resonance tests  against aluminum.   Interesting if the results are accurate
http://www.lessloss.com/page.html?id=80

-jay

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Re: Panzerolz
« Reply #1 on: 14 Jan 2015, 02:35 am »
$1,100 a sheet in 2011 according to this thread:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=100570.0

Folsom

Re: Panzerolz
« Reply #2 on: 14 Jan 2015, 02:40 am »
And 150lbs.

Captainhemo

Re: Panzerolz
« Reply #3 on: 14 Jan 2015, 02:46 am »
Well, I'm sure that settles it   :lol:
Prices were supposed to arrive today,   but I'd imagine they  wn't have changed too signifigantly.
Thanks  guys   

-jay

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Re: Panzerolz
« Reply #4 on: 14 Jan 2015, 08:27 am »
Jay,

Ask your friend if he has considered using Corian (sp?). I've heard it's pretty good stuff - and it is a helluva lot cheaper than Panzerhol.

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Re: Panzerolz
« Reply #5 on: 14 Jan 2015, 02:28 pm »
$1,100 a sheet in 2011 according to this thread:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=100570.0
Yea, I've pretty much given up on that material.  :lol:

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Re: Panzerolz
« Reply #6 on: 14 Jan 2015, 03:36 pm »
Jay,

Ask your friend if he has considered using Corian (sp?). I've heard it's pretty good stuff - and it is a helluva lot cheaper than Panzerhol.

Thanks Michael,  will look into that  material and see what  it's about.

I hear you  Bob,    :o

-jay

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Re: Panzerolz
« Reply #7 on: 14 Jan 2015, 03:44 pm »
>>Here's page four<< of a thread where we were talking about it. The third post down ("Richidoo") has some links. Hopefully they're still relevant and helpful.

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Re: Panzerolz
« Reply #8 on: 14 Jan 2015, 04:19 pm »
I remember this stuff being discussed some years ago.

It seems that exotic materials like this are sometimes brought into the theoretical mix with the assumption that if it excels at it's specific design function(s) it will be wonderful for speaker enclosures. To my way of thinking speaker box material only really needs to accomplish a couple of things; a place to mount drivers and contribute nothing of it's own to driver output... IOW, a dead box. A gilded box will sound the same as a raw one...no?

 MDF seems to be nearly tailor made for the job. It's inexpensive, easy to work with and has good internal damping qualities. I suspect that when some commercial speaker builders tout some exotic material as their secret sauce, its as much marketing as it is anything else.

Corian is a brand name within a group of materials known as solid surface. Solid surface essentially comes it two flavors; polyester resin and acrylic resin, most commonly available in 1/2" thickness. Different manufacturers have proprietary recipes, but that's more about appearance. I've never build speakers with it but if you take a piece of it, suspend with a pair of pliers or similar and tap it with a hammer, it definitely has a ringing quality that would not seem very well damped. If I were to speculate, I'd guess it would resonate at higher frequency than MDF which would seem to be harder to deal with, design wise. My intuitive guess would be that you'd have to have substantially more thickness to get same damping qualities as 3/4" MDF.

I'll qualify the above by claiming off-the-cuff science...I'm a  seat-of-pants engineer.

WGH

Re: Panzerolz
« Reply #9 on: 14 Jan 2015, 04:28 pm »
I think Richlite would work just as well, it is just as dense, cuts with carbide blades and is available in a dozen colors and in thicknesses from 1/4" to 3". I have used Richlite as resonance control panels glued to the inside of speakers and it works amazingly well.
http://www.richlite.com/

Here is the thread with my panels: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=72808.msg683847#msg683847

You can probably get scraps to play with from a local installer.

Wayne