Advice Needed - possible record store dishonesty

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dminches

Re: Advice Needed - possible record store dishonesty
« Reply #20 on: 17 Nov 2014, 06:17 pm »
It's a secondary market for used goods, guys.  It's kind of like all's fair in love, war and used car sales.  He paid out $100 cash and some credits for a record that cost what originally.  He paid "good" money.  I am not saying I like it -- it's just the way it is.  Who knows,  may be he contacted the lady who wanted it and she no longer wanted it (for $210).  So he is selling it to get his money back.  And if the market is $210 why would he sell it for less?

But he purchased it under false pretenses.  That's the issue.  It isn't as though the OP posted it for sale and someone bought it and sold it for a profit.  He asked the OP to do him a favor.
 

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« Reply #21 on: 17 Nov 2014, 06:26 pm »
Hopefully you guys can just "hash" this all out, and everything is groovy again. :lol:
Sorry........I know you're stressed, but I couldn't let the opportunity (puff, puff) pass. :thumb:

GT Audio Works

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« Reply #22 on: 17 Nov 2014, 06:30 pm »
Open up an ebay account under a bogus name and address on a different computer, like at the library.
Wait for the last day of the auction, and bid an outrageously high bid to scare off all others, then keep him enticed with promises of payment and excuses why he has not received payment yet with long periods of no answers to his emails.
After awhile he will cancel the transaction. Then when he relists it do it all over again under a new alias.

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« Reply #23 on: 17 Nov 2014, 06:35 pm »
Open up an ebay account under a bogus name and address on a different computer, like at the library.
Wait for the last day of the auction, and bid an outrageously high bid to scare off all others, then keep him enticed with promises of payment and excuses why he has not received payment yet with long periods of no answers to his emails.
After awhile he will cancel the transaction. Then when he relists it do it all over again under a new alias.

That's a lot of work and trouble as a first route of action.......especially if the guy actually has a reasonable explanation. :lol:

Keep in mind that libraries usually have some sort of monitoring system that requires the library member enter their library account #. He'd have to get false library cards too. :lol: ........and maybe even wear a disguise. :lol:

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« Reply #24 on: 17 Nov 2014, 06:39 pm »
Joe,

I am sorry you got duped.   Call him and see if he will return it to you if you give the money back.  He would if he really were your friend.  If he gives you a spiel, then he only chummed his way into your heart to sell (and buy) things.   

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« Reply #25 on: 17 Nov 2014, 06:43 pm »
That's a lot of work and trouble as a first route of action.......especially if the guy actually has a reasonable explanation. :lol:
There is no reasonable explanation. If the record store owner was a straight up guy, and his buyer had backed out he would have sold it back to the owner or at least told him about the sour deal and ask him if he wanted it back.
I guess I am showing my vindictive side  :icon_twisted:

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« Reply #26 on: 17 Nov 2014, 06:48 pm »
So what's wrong with vindictive in this case?   A dose of his own medicine I'd say, but for it to work he'd eventually have to be told of the plot

We could start posting questions on the auction page asking "was this the LP you got from Joe ostensibly for a specific customer?"

Of offer him $140 and see what happens.   :finger:

Wayner

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« Reply #27 on: 17 Nov 2014, 06:49 pm »
If you wanted the LP so bad, why did you sell it in the first place. Next, you agreed to the terms of the sale ($100 cash, 40 store credit), so why should you care what he does with it, you sold it to an agreed apon terms. Then you only have the "obvious" side of the story, which is purely conjecture at this time. Maybe the other party decided that she didn't want it (or for that price), and maybe your friend was too embarrassed to ask you to buy it back. So he puts it up for sale. It shouldn't be your problem anyway as you sold it to him.


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Re: Advice Needed - possible record store dishonesty
« Reply #28 on: 17 Nov 2014, 06:50 pm »
Joe,

I am sorry you got duped.   Call him and see if he will return it to you if you give the money back.  He would if he really were your friend.  If he gives you a spiel, then he only chummed his way into your heart to sell (and buy) things.

I wouldn't call. I'd go to the store and look him in the eye and watch his body language. People can hide behind computer and phone lines very easily. You'll know almost right away if he was intentionally being an a-hole to you, or if maybe the original deal fell through and figured, well I just need to get this sold. Business minded people can sometimes forget to think on a personal level, and since you sold the album to him, he likely figured that it was in his hands to do whatever. You're probably a friend, but probably not his best friend or even in his top 5 friends. He honestly may not have thought to treat the situation any differently than he would with other things sold to the store.....though I agree, he should've, given the situation as portrayed to you.

joegator81

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« Reply #29 on: 17 Nov 2014, 07:00 pm »
If you wanted the LP so bad, why did you sell it in the first place. Next, you agreed to the terms of the sale ($100 cash, 40 store credit), so why should you care what he does with it, you sold it to an agreed apon terms. Then you only have the "obvious" side of the story, which is purely conjecture at this time. Maybe the other party decided that she didn't want it (or for that price), and maybe your friend was too embarrassed to ask you to buy it back. So he puts it up for sale. It shouldn't be your problem anyway as you sold it to him.

"If you wanted the LP so bad, why did you sell it in the first place".... I guess you've kind of missed the whole point but ok.

joegator81

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« Reply #30 on: 17 Nov 2014, 07:02 pm »
I wouldn't call. I'd go to the store and look him in the eye and watch his body language. People can hide behind computer and phone lines very easily. You'll know almost right away if he was intentionally being an a-hole to you, or if maybe the original deal fell through and figured, well I just need to get this sold. Business minded people can sometimes forget to think on a personal level, and since you sold the album to him, he likely figured that it was in his hands to do whatever. You're probably a friend, but probably not his best friend or even in his top 5 friends. He honestly may not have thought to treat the situation any differently than he would with other things sold to the store.....though I agree, he should've, given the situation as portrayed to you.

I'm going to go to his store tomorrow, I want to know for sure.

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« Reply #31 on: 17 Nov 2014, 07:06 pm »
Keep us posted. We'll get the pitch forks and torches ready. :thumb:

Wayner

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« Reply #32 on: 17 Nov 2014, 07:13 pm »
"If you wanted the LP so bad, why did you sell it in the first place".... I guess you've kind of missed the whole point but ok.

I haven't missed the point at all. When you sell an item, your concern for it's future should come to an end. Posting a private transaction on a public forum without knowing the whole story is what stinks here.......

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Re: Advice Needed - possible record store dishonesty
« Reply #33 on: 17 Nov 2014, 07:18 pm »
Chill folks,

I don't want things getting out of control. :rules:

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« Reply #34 on: 17 Nov 2014, 07:25 pm »
I haven't missed the point at all. When you sell an item, your concern for it's future should come to an end. Posting a private transaction on a public forum without knowing the whole story is what stinks here.......
The OP is just simply asking for advice. He didn't post a private transaction. He didn't name the record store or post any identifiers.

 

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« Reply #35 on: 17 Nov 2014, 07:26 pm »
The key is that the premise on which the transaction occurred was dishonest.  I'd ask for an explanation and, if not satisfied, for my record back.  In either case, I'd not view future transactions as having anything to do with friendship.

joegator81

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« Reply #36 on: 17 Nov 2014, 07:27 pm »
I haven't missed the point at all. When you sell an item, your concern for it's future should come to an end. Posting a private transaction on a public forum without knowing the whole story is what stinks here.......

Ok, hold your nose and kindly exit then. thanks. besides, i didn't state the owners name or the name of the store on this forum, a place where people come to have a discussion and ask for advice, not to be chastised by someone who couldn't have possibly missed the point in a bigger way.

dminches

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« Reply #37 on: 17 Nov 2014, 07:35 pm »
"If you wanted the LP so bad, why did you sell it in the first place".... I guess you've kind of missed the whole point but ok.

That's typical for him.

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Re: Advice Needed - possible record store dishonesty
« Reply #38 on: 17 Nov 2014, 07:38 pm »
No name callings.  :whip:  Nobody is perfect.

joegator81

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« Reply #39 on: 17 Nov 2014, 07:46 pm »
ok, lets move on. I want to thank you all for your advice it has been very helpful. Hopefully all of this will either be just a big misunderstanding or at the very least completely resolved by tomorrow. Much appreciated.