[thunderbrick]

Precisely.  The OP had resisted many attempts to sell it until the dealer deliberately used "her" as a ploy to convince him to part with it.  That's fraud.   Just as if the dealer had said "I REALLY want that in my collection" when his intent was to make a few bucks.

I collect old cameras, and sometimes people give me rare cameras because they know I'll appreciate them, giving the gear a good home.  Those are the terms under which I get the gift.  I never dispose of those items unless I give them to a beginning photographer/collector who will also treasure them, honoring the donor's wishes.

That's different from haunting yard sales for items to sell.

[soundbitten1]

The OP had resisted many attempts to sell it until the dealer deliberately used "her" as a ploy to convince him to part with it.  That's fraud.   Just as if the dealer had said "I REALLY want that in my collection" when his intent was to make a few bucks.

He had resisted the attempts at first but changed his mind because he wanted the money for a system upgrade. The motive for selling had nothing to do with friendship. The buyer may have been fraudulent but the seller still got what he wanted.

[joegator81]

That's the point, the seller is wrong.  He's selling to a business and he knew it.  The friendship is a different issue.  That's why doing business with friends is a sticky proposition and should be treated with care to make sure the business side is kept separate from the friendship side.  That wasn't done here and you see the result.

good lord some of you people keep missing the point. I don't care if he was going to sell it to his friend for $500. He asked me to do him a favor and I did! If that favor was based on a false premise or outright lie how am I wrong??? Perhaps, a forum legal mind could clarify but if a contract is made under false pretenses, whether verbal or legal it could be cancelled because the person who falsified their end of the deal violated the contract.

[dminches]

I completely agree with you.

[ernest787]

This is a tough one. 

Based on how the OP presented this I would be in agreement with him and would be bummed at the Shops actions.  However, on the other hand I don't know what type of time frames we are talking here, and how many times the Shop asked about the record.  If the shop had mentioned this before and the OP resisted, and then thought about his upgrades and came back and said "let's do this." That is a different story.

If it was me, I wouldn't approach the owner about it.  Ultimately, both parties agreed to the transaction.  It sucks if he mislead you, but I think that would just let me know that I won't be doing business with that person anymore. 

An aside... if i wasn't interseted in selling a piece of wax, it wouldn't matter how much someone told me they wanted to buy it so they could help a friend, I wouldn't sell it. 

[gnuyork]

He had resisted the attempts at first but changed his mind because he wanted the money for a system upgrade. The motive for selling had nothing to do with friendship. The buyer may have been fraudulent but the seller still got what he wanted.

You *assumed* he changed his mind because a need for a system upgrade… I can't speak for the OP, but it seems like the motive for selling precisely had something to do with the friendship. It's was more of an "Oh well I could use the money for a system upgrade anyway…" sort of a byproduct of the sale to help a friend out, who intern claims to be helping another friend out. Either way, it's dirty and would tick me off. Even the sale price was negotiated by the sleazy store owner. OP asked for $140 and got $100 and store credit… then turns around and attempts to sell it for over $200?? WTF! I'd be in that store pronto, demanding to know what's up.

The seller obviously did *not* get what he wanted here.

[joegator81]

No he wasn't, in his own words the reason the seller ultimately decided to sell was to get money for a system upgrade, he said he had a friendly relationship with the buyer but that wasn't the reason for selling.

it was my reason for selling it to him for the compromised terms which AGAIN for the hundredth time I only did based on what appears to be a lie.

[macrojack]

joegator81 - Even if everyone on this forum nods in agreement and threatens to castrate the record store guy, your situation will not improve. If you are just taking an opportunity to be in the spotlight, then you have reached your goal. If you want to expose this guy or reverse the transaction, several of the suggestions coughed up by your brethren here on AC seem like they could be very effective. If you want justice, then you should address your concerns to Judge Judy. Ever since King Solomon went into retirement, she has been cracking heads and setting things right. Call her.

[joegator81]

I'm going to say this one more time and as clearly as possible:

1) I was completely happy with the deal that I got for the record, I am not a greedy person, and I knew going in that I would probably have to compromise because he was getting the record for a friend. I was willing to compromise because of the personal nature of this deal.

2) I don't care if he were to sell the record TO HIS FRIEND for $210 or more, that is between him and his friend.

3) I just want to know why the record was up on ebay the next day.

4) If he lied, then I will never shop there again.

5) If he tells me that the deal fell through or circumstances changed then I will have to listen to what he says and decide whether he is telling the truth or not.

6) Even if he were to give me back the record and if I were to accept I wouldn't list it on eBay for $210. Again, this isn't a situation where I saw the ebay listing and all of a sudden realized "Hey I could have gotten more money for this record, No Fair!!!". I researched what a fair price would be, only sealed copies of that record sell for anywhere near that price. It is not about the money, it is about honesty.

[woodsyi]

Do you know how many aunts and uncles die during exam time in college?  Professors know the routine but just accept them most of the time to give the kids a break.  It's kind of like that.  I bet your "friend" thought you "knew" where he was coming from.  If you are a class of 81 from U of Florida, you are no spring chicken.  He probably assumed you would read between the lines.

[dminches]

If you are just taking an opportunity to be in the spotlight, then you have reached your goal.

That's rather cynical.  The guy is asking for advice as to handle a situation. 

[joegator81]

joegator81 - Even if everyone on this forum nods in agreement and threatens to castrate the record store guy, your situation will not improve. If you are just taking an opportunity to be in the spotlight, then you have reached your goal. If you want to expose this guy or reverse the transaction, several of the suggestions coughed up by your brethren here on AC seem like they could be very effective. If you want justice, then you should address your concerns to Judge Judy. Ever since King Solomon went into retirement, she has been cracking heads and setting things right. Call her.

I knew what was going to happen when I brought this up on the forum, that there would be people who would disagree with me but I also knew that I would get a lot of really good advice. The people who disagree with me have every right to but that doesn't mean that I can't respond to them. I'm not looking for a collective castration. Just looking for advice and your right, I've gotten some great advice and i'm thankful for it. I'm not going to expose the guy on this forum regardless of what happens. That was not my intent. And I know you are just joking but I can't stand judge judy, no way would I subject myself to that 

[joegator81]

Do you know how many aunts and uncles die during exam time in college?  Professors know the routine but just accept them most of the time to give the kids a break.  It's kind of like that.  I bet your "friend" thought you "knew" where he was coming from.  If you are a class of 81 from U of Florida, you are no spring chicken.  He probably assumed you would read between the lines.

I was born in 81, accepted to UF but went to small school instead, big gator fan for life though. doesn't really matter but figured i'd just lay that out there, don't want to be accused of being disingenuous.

[joegator81]

That's rather cynical.  The guy is asking for advice as to handle a situation.

pretty much. thanks.

[woodsyi]

I was born in 81, accepted to UF but went to small school instead, big gator fan for life though. doesn't really matter but figured i'd just lay that out there, don't want to be accused of being disingenuous.

Then write if off as a learning experience.  Don't get personal in business settings.  Don't date co-workers.  Don't go into business partnership with friends. 

Your "friend" is a good businessman with good business ethics.  You don't get 99.99 positive feed back on over 10,000 transactions on EBay unless you sell good products with good customer service.  He may be a "smooth" operator but I bet he is not a swindler.  I think you just read him wrong.

[soundbitten1]

Be grateful for the lesson learned, let go of your anger and move on.

[macrojack]

Agree with Woodsyi. Much ado about nothing. Indignation always goes unrewarded.

You may have noticed an unending but intermittent string of threads on this site (and others) wondering about the future of high end audio. I've done my share of speculating on that topic. Now I see that you, joegator81, are a committed audiophile and only 33 years old. You are the answer to all that speculation. You are the future of the high end. So set your sights higher than that piddly record store drama. The stakes were small and the impact is insignificant. As the future of the high end, you carry a lot of responsibility and you cannot be wasting your minutes away thusly. You have an entire industry to save. At 67+ some months I can't be counted on to carry the baton another lap. It's all on you now. Take charge, messiah. Lead your people into the promised land. Stay the course, as another great messiah so aptly advised. Be the man your dog thinks you are.

[S Clark]

Do you know how many aunts and uncles die during exam time in college?  Professors know the routine but just accept them most of the time to give the kids a break.  It's kind of like that.  I bet your "friend" thought you "knew" where he was coming from.  If you are a class of 81 from U of Florida, you are no spring chicken.  He probably assumed you would read between the lines.

"read between the lines"???  Is that the same as lying to make a buck?  That's a hell of an unethical way to do business.   Chalk it up as a cheap lesson and move on... just never trust this guy again.

[vortrex]

Have you filed a police report?

[macrojack]

Have you filed a police report?

Best comment so far?

I think so. The world is not black and white. No permanent damage was done. All the suffering lies in the life of one individual who cannot seem to let go of "the principle of the matter" despite repeated claims not to be concerned about the presumed loss of revenue.
Maybe you are just pissed that you fell for his story.