One more week of patience...

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Guy 13

Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #120 on: 22 Jun 2014, 03:32 am »
Hi all.
For those of you who follow religiously all my posts,
here's an addition to my adventures in a search for some better headphones
than my actual Sennheiser HD-650.
(Less veiled that is.)
The Vietnamese owner of the authorized HiFiMan/Audeze and Stax store
came to my house after I invited him to audition my sound system
and as per my request, brought with him a pair of HiFiMan HE400
that I wanted to compare with my HD-650 on my Bottlehead Crack amplifier.
It is a fact that the Crack is optimized for 300-600 Ohms heaphones,
however, it can drive load down to 60 Ohms.
I tried my Sennheiser HD570 at 60 Ohms and they sounded good,
except for the bass that was not too good.
Muddy, no impact, not natural, not really listenable...
The HiFiMan are also around 60 Ohms according to the salesman.
They did sound good, minus the bass which was... Well not as good as my
HD-650.
I know, the Crack is not made to drive planar/orthos.
I wanted to find out myself and thanks to him, now I know.
You know what, when I listen to other pairs of headphones,
then listen to my HD-650, all of a sudden, my HD650 sounds very good.
Of course, I know that to drive the HiFiMan I need another type of amplifier
which means I have to beg my wife for some extra $$$.
Well, I have the Crack and it's paid for and works (Fairly) well with my HD650.
The other thing, I find with my HD-650 is that they are more comfortable then all the other headphones I have listent to, even the HD-700 and HD-800.
So for now, my HD650 stay where thay are.

Guy 13

   

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Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #121 on: 22 Jun 2014, 07:25 am »
Do you try the 400 on your PC output??
I run my 400 this way and it plenty of bass and even overload the 400 some times force me turn down the volume button.

Guy 13

Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #122 on: 22 Jun 2014, 07:33 am »
Do you try the 400 on your PC output??
I run my 400 this way and it plenty of bass and even overload the 400 some times force me turn down the volume button.
Hi FULLRANGEMAN.
I did not try to run the HE400 on my laptop/PC because I have no interest in doing that, because when I use one of those two devices, I have to concentrate, because usually it's because I am writing something important... :lol:
However, I did try to run my HD570/HD650 on my laptop and it did sound surprisingly good.

Guy 13

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Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #123 on: 22 Jun 2014, 08:29 am »
I do it because its the only option I have... :thumb:

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Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #124 on: 22 Jun 2014, 08:55 am »
I do it because its the only option I have... :thumb:
Hi (Again) FULLRANGEMAN.
I understand and I hope one day you can afford a real headphone amplifier.

Guy 13

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Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #125 on: 22 Jun 2014, 09:15 am »
Hi (Again) FULLRANGEMAN.
I understand and I hope one day you can afford a real headphone amplifier.

Guy 13
Thanks Guy.
I think I dont want upgrade to a amp.
What I need is a big sound stage but the amp will no enlarge the soundstage so the best cost/benefit ratio is it, a simple and bare PC output.

Guy 13

Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #126 on: 8 Jul 2014, 03:41 am »
Hi all.
Just a quick update on my Bottlehead Crack with my Sennheiser HD650.
I probably have now more than 100 hours on both of them and my opinion has not changed much.
They (HD650) are good sounding but still dark/veiled but I guess I am getting used to the sound and not complaining as much as I did when I first got them.
I met (Via Bottlehead forum) a Vietnamese the live here in Saigon (Ho Chi Minh City) and that is the owner of a Bottlehead Crack, but he's got a lot more headphones than me.
We are looking for a time to get together and he will bring his:]
HD600, HD650, HD800 and T1.
That will be a lot of fun being able to switch between all those nice headphones.
Of course, as usual, I will report and post pictures.
Now, as if that was not enough, another Bottlehead member contacted me and within a few days I will meet him and set up a meeting, he also has the Bottlehead Crack but with an up-grade (Forgot the name of the up-grade)
with a Sennheiser T1, but I will try to convince him to bring over his up-dated Crack to see and hear if his up-grade made his amplifier sound better than mine.
I love that hobby when, I can share my passion with others that have the same passion as mine.

Guy 13
 

Guy 13

Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #127 on: 9 Jul 2014, 01:38 am »
Hi all.
If weather permit, mean, does not rain, a Vietnamese that goes by the name of Phuong,
will come to my place this evening and as previously mentioned, will bring with him his
HD600, 800 and T1 so I can compare them with my HD650.
Very anxious and right now, I pray God or more appropriately Buddha to make the sky cloud free.
That will be one of the rare moments of joy in my life in boring planet Vietnam.

Guy 13
 

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Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #128 on: 9 Jul 2014, 01:55 am »
Hi all.
If weather permit, mean, does not rain, a Vietnamese that goes by the name of Phuong,
will come to my place this evening and as previously mentioned, will bring with him his
HD600, 800 and T1 so I can compare them with my HD650.
Very anxious and right now, I pray God or more appropriately Buddha to make the sky cloud free.
That will be one of the rare moments of joy in my life in boring planet Vietnam.

Guy 13
 

Hi Guy 13

i look forward to your review!!,as you are of the most honest reviewer on planet vietnam.. :thumb:

Guy 13

Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #129 on: 9 Jul 2014, 02:02 am »
Hi Guy 13

i look forward to your review!!,as you are of the most honest reviewer on planet vietnam.. :thumb:

Hi Georgopoulos.
If I am the most honest reviewer on planet Vietnam,
maybe it's because I am the only honest reviewer on planet Vietnam
and I am not afraid of what people will say about me and my reviews.
There are some reviewers/owners of audio equipment here,
but they post in Vietnamese on Vietnamese audio forums for Vietnamese audiophiles
that believe that only well known brands are the only thing to buy.

Guy 13

Guy 13

Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #130 on: 10 Jul 2014, 08:59 am »

Hi all.
Yesterday evening, I’ve unroll the red carpet for the visit to my listening room of Mr. Phuong proud owner of a Bottlehead Crack and several headphone units such as:
Sennheiser HD600, HD800 and Bayer Dynamic T1.
He brought them all with him to try on my Bottlehead Crack headphone amplifier.
Of course I had my own HD650 that’s why he did not bring his HD650.
I will spare you a long list of the CDs I’ve used to evaluate the headphones.
I will only say that they were all well recorded and
Music varied from solo guitar to drum, to vocal and small ensemble.
For me, the first priority is comfort since headphones become part of you, they touch you, therefore, they should, like your wife, pamper you…
HD600/650 are by far the most comfortable of all.
The velour padding squeezes and caresses your head all around your ears. They have a snug fit that I like, yes they are tight,
but not too much, just enough for me.
For me, they are not heavy.
The HD800, well that’s a complete different story. They are big and loose over my head.
They even push downward the tip of my ears.
No way to make they fit snuggly.
Maybe my noggin is too small…
They are physically too big to my liking, not a bit comfortable.
The BD T1 are a little too big to my liking, not as much as the HD800, but still. However, they are more adjustable than the HD800.
The look:
Well the HD600/650 win the beauty contest. Simple design, classy and I love the oval look of them.
The HD800 are, well they are, humm mmm, I must say:
Ugly to my eyes.
It’s that simple. No need to say why.
The BD T1 has a nice look. They look solid and professional, but they are round and a little cold looking.
Now, construction:
All good, but the BD T1 look like it’s built like a German tank.
The HD800 look a little fragile, even if it not really that fragile.
The HD600/650 are between the T1 and HD800.
Time will tell me if they are durable,
I think time is the only way to know for sure if something is durable.
Now the sound:
The bass.
The BD T1 wins, lots of deep and powerful bass,
maybe even too much, but I will not complain, because I love bass.
The HD800 has less bass, but a higher quality bass.
The HD650 as good bass, between the T1 and the HD800.
The HD600 as a little, to me, very little less bass than the HD650, but it’s a good quality bass, not like the HD800, but still very good to my ears.
Now the mids and highs.
Of course, as I wrote several times since I got my HD650, the sound is dark and veiled. (Sorry don’t know any other words to describe the sound of my HD650)
Now the HD600, that’s a different story, much better, clearer, but not too bright, perfect, well near perfect for me. Much better than the HD650, the difference is instantly noticeable.
The HD800 of course are the winners.
Clear and natural.
The BD T1 are good, but I am not sure, I think they are colored, not neutral or less natural that the others.
At first, I like the sound of the T1, but after a while, I preferred the HD600.
One comment.
Each time I have listen to other headphones and then switch back to the HD650, the HD650 always sound better, seems that they are not dark and veiled anymore or at least, less than the previous listening.
The soundstage:
What sound stage?
No sound stage with headphones or maybe a simile soundstage with the HD800, just a little more, but still far away from soundstage from speakers box.
So, who said headphones could have a HUGE soundstage ?
I would sure like to put my hands on such headphones.
Now the winner is:
The HD600, why?
Not veiled and not dark, clear, but not bright, not perfect at everything, but good enough for me.
Who what to make a swap my HD650 for a pair of HD600 new or mint condition with box ? ? ?
No one, that’s O.K. then I will keep my HD650.
After that headphones listening session,
my HD650 are not as bad as I wrote many times previously.

Guy 13

If this review was boring, I will make it up to you with some pictures, if the pictures are boring to you, well then: Go fly a kike.
Oups… Sorry.

Which one I should start my review/evaluation with?


The winner, the HD600

 

 

 



JohnR

Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #131 on: 10 Jul 2014, 10:48 am »
Hi Guy, FWIW it is possible to buy HD600 drivers - http://www.custom-cable.co.uk/sennheiser-replacement-capsules-hd600-hd580p-hd580j-hd580-1-each.html

I believe they are interchangeable with the HD650, although I have not tried it (perhaps a Google search would yield more definite info or you could ask that company linked there etc). HD600s have been around for a long time so maybe you can even locate a used pair, do they have "Planet Vietnam eBay?"

Guy 13

Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #132 on: 10 Jul 2014, 11:13 am »
Hi Guy, FWIW it is possible to buy HD600 drivers - http://www.custom-cable.co.uk/sennheiser-replacement-capsules-hd600-hd580p-hd580j-hd580-1-each.html

I believe they are interchangeable with the HD650, although I have not tried it (perhaps a Google search would yield more definite info or you could ask that company linked there etc). HD600s have been around for a long time so maybe you can even locate a used pair, do they have "Planet Vietnam eBay?"

Hi JohnR
Thanks for the link, however,
I realize that I am not very good at installing, repairing
and modifying small stuff.
This is due to my shaking hands, clumsy fingers and low eyesight.
I will look for either used or swap deal.
I really don't like use stuff,
I like the smell of new out of the box stuff
and the same thing if I do some kind of exchange,
my HD650 are mint condition, still smell new,
therefore a HD600 would have to be the same.
Thanks for the suggestion.

Guy 13
 

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Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #133 on: 10 Jul 2014, 12:42 pm »
Thanks for your nice report Guy.
Now I aware you are demanding and very refined tastes, your opinion depict the reality unadorned.

Not need buy used, there is plenty of new HD600 yet:
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-Dynamic-Professional-Stereo-Headphones/dp/B00004SY4H/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1404995810&sr=1-1&keywords=hd600

Guy 13

Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #134 on: 10 Jul 2014, 01:00 pm »
Thanks for your nice report Guy.
Now I aware you are demanding and very refined tastes, your opinion depict the reality unadorned.

Not need buy used, there is plenty of new HD600 yet:
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-Dynamic-Professional-Stereo-Headphones/dp/B00004SY4H/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1404995810&sr=1-1&keywords=hd600

Hi FULLRANGEMAN.
Thanks for the link, I can get new for 399 USD
and used (Like new) for 325 USD.
For 74 USD more you get a brand new, never used, HD600 with a warranty,
minds you a warranty on planet Vietnam is worth zero.
If I patient, I can get it shipped to my wife's nephew in Seattle
and he will re-ship it to me via a relative, but that can take up to 3 months.
I will check my finances (Budget) and see if I can spare a few $$$ for that investment.
I might also wait until September to go to the Saigon Hi-End show,
they always have promotion on head phones.
I got my HD650 for 410 USD.
Anyway, it's not like I don't have anything to listen to the music privately,
I still have my HD650, therefore, I am not in a hurry and this time,
I know what the HD600 sounds like, not like when I bought the HD650 in a hurry.
Thanks again.

Guy 13


Guy 13

Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #135 on: 14 Jul 2014, 02:52 am »

Hi all.
Just saw on the Sennheiser website a video showing the first pair of Sennheiser headphones
that I have owned more than 40 years ago (HD414).
I remember how good the sound was compared to the previously owned pairs of headphones.
My only complain was that I had to apply some pressure with my hands to improve significantly the sound.
Not very convenient to loose your two hands.

Guy 13

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there are great chances to you will stay loyal to the brand, if of course, you are satisfied.
 

Rocket

Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #136 on: 14 Jul 2014, 11:13 am »
Hi Guy,

I thought your HD650's sound pretty good although I will say I am probably used to listening to cheaper headphones.

Cheers Rod

Guy 13

Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #137 on: 14 Jul 2014, 12:33 pm »
Hi Guy,

I thought your HD650's sound pretty good although I will say I am probably used to listening to cheaper headphones.

Cheers Rod

Hi Rod.
Yes they are good,
but they are still missing that little something to make me
not like them, but love them.
By the way, how's your ears and the virus or cold you caught in Vietnam
and/or Malaysia ????

Guy 13

Rocket

Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #138 on: 15 Jul 2014, 01:04 pm »
Hi Guy,

I'm fine now but it is a bit cold here at the moment.  Just ordered a JDS Labs Objective 2 as I thought I would give it a go for the price.  It should arrive tomorrow with a bit of luck.

Cheers Rod

Guy 13

Re: One more week of patience...
« Reply #139 on: 15 Jul 2014, 01:26 pm »
Hi Guy,

I'm fine now but it is a bit cold here at the moment.  Just ordered a JDS Labs Objective 2 as I thought I would give it a go for the price.  It should arrive tomorrow with a bit of luck.

Cheers Rod

Hi Rod.
Glad to see you are feeling better.
With what headphones will you use that amplifier?
Or, maybe you have a dozen different makes of headphones? :lol:

Guy 13