[astarock]

Hi, i know this subject have been discussed a lot but still, there is some elements not very clear.

Since my music library is about 1.7TB and is constanly growing, i needed to replace my 2TB Fat32 HDD ASAP. So i replaced it with a 4TB HDD and thats where my problems started.

Since Fat32 can't get highter than 2TB because of MBR(master boot record) partition, didn't have any choices to create a NTFS GUID partition to take advante of 1 full 4TB HDD. Trouble is, once the hard drive is connected to my BDP-1, i can see my 4TB HDD on bryston web interface and on Mpad interface on my ipad, which is NTFS and is writable. BUT, i cannot see any hard drive through windows network om my windowes 7 machine like before with my 2TB Fat32 HDD.

I need to dump the music i constanly ripping on the bryston HDD without having to disconnect the drive each time. My BDP-1 firmware revision is 1.73.

Stop me if i'm wrong but is the NTFS GUID partition is compatible with the BDP-1? or it's simply that it cannot support more than 2TB HDD! I'm saying that because i tried with a NTFS MBR 500GB HDD and it worked perfectly, just like the 2TB Fat32 HDD.

The only thing leaving me to try, is to partition my 4TB NTFS GUID HDD into 2 X 2TB NTFS MBR since MBR doesn't support 4TB.

Do somebody knows something i don't know?

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[astarock]

Ok maybe it all a bit confusing, so where is a list of what is working & not working with hard drive solution i tried on my BDP-1;
-2TB HDD in Fat32 MBR = ok, i was able to read and write with ether windows 7 or my MAC.
-500GB HDD in NTFS MBR = ok, i could even axess, rear and/or write, the drive with my MAC(OSX mavericks)!
-320GB HDD in HFS+ = ok, BUT, i can't dump anything on the drive since bryston web interface is telling me the drive is not writable.
-4TB HDD in NTFS GUID = not ok. At boot sequence, i got the "unsupported_FS" for a second and everithings seems ok after. BUT, i cannot axess the drive through network on windows 7 and even less with MAC finder. There is no hard drive showing on my window.

[redbook]

  James can you shed some light on this topic..... I,m too old   LOL

[James Tanner]

Ok maybe it all a bit confusing, so where is a list of what is working & not working with hard drive solution i tried on my BDP-1;
-2TB HDD in Fat32 MBR = ok, i was able to read and write with ether windows 7 or my MAC.
-500GB HDD in NTFS MBR = ok, i could even axess, rear and/or write, the drive with my MAC(OSX mavericks)!
-320GB HDD in HFS+ = ok, BUT, i can't dump anything on the drive since bryston web interface is telling me the drive is not writable.
-4TB HDD in NTFS GUID = not ok. At boot sequence, i got the "unsupported_FS" for a second and everithings seems ok after. BUT, i cannot axess the drive through network on windows 7 and even less with MAC finder. There is no hard drive showing on my window.

Hi

I forwarded this to Chris Rice as he is the best one to answer this,

james

[astarock]

Thanks James.

The real motive for this thread is to discover if somebody have mannage to install a hard drive capacity more than 2TB and been able to make it work so at LEAST i should be able to have read and write privilege with my windows 7 machine.

If so, how is this possible. I can't be the only one here having a library that exceed 2TB. I'm a little on the freak side cause 99.99% of my music is AIFF format.

[James Tanner]

Thanks James.

The real motive for this thread is to discover if somebody have mannage to install a hard drive capacity more than 2TB and been able to make it work so at LEAST i should be able to have read and write privilege with my windows 7 machine.

If so, how is this possible. I can't be the only one here having a library that exceed 2TB. I'm a little on the freak side cause 99.99% of my music is AIFF format.

HI

I think most BDP users just use a second 2TB hard drive as the BDP2 can accept up to 7 drives.

james

[ttsto]

I would encourage you to move to NAS device instead of USB attached HDD. Or maybe simple router with ability to attach USB drive.

I did it and I had no problems since. Previously, with 2 x 3TB HDD attached (not that much music, but I wanted future proof, clear separation for high res music) I had problems when second drive was not visible or each time BDP turned on some update job started...
 
I find this setup with NAS more reliable and if you have gigabit network will be able to update your media library much faster.

[unincognito]

I would encourage you to move to NAS device instead of USB attached HDD. Or maybe simple router with ability to attach USB drive.

I did it and I had no problems since. Previously, with 2 x 3TB HDD attached (not that much music, but I wanted future proof, clear separation for high res music) I had problems when second drive was not visible or each time BDP turned on some update job started...
 
I find this setup with NAS more reliable and if you have gigabit network will be able to update your media library much faster.

i second the NAS option for this much music, primarily for redundancy (nas with raid 1 or 5); if something where to happen to the drive it would take a really long to to either re-rip and/or re-download that much music.  Also the maintenance and access of the file system would be offloaded from the BDP and handled by another processor.  Finally some NAS's that are slighter greater then entry level tend to have backup features to protect against file system corruption. 

As far as choosing a NAS, customers have had mixed results with getting synology branded NAS's to work with there BDP's.  Drobo, qnap, wd and apples Time Capsule have been fairly straight forward to setup.

Cheers,
Chris

[Marius]

Chris,

Since you're talking NAS's here, may I mildly remind you about the subfolder Share question on the NAS?
How to realise this is still beyond me, and I would really hope you're building a browse interface into ManicMoose for this. Until that moment, please instruct me on how to find a subfolder on my NAS.

And yes, Im on a Synology......
though that's not the issue, I've only managed a share to the root of any networked drive yet.


Cheers,
Marius

i second the NAS option for this much music, primarily for redundancy (nas with raid 1 or 5); if something where to happen to the drive it would take a really long to to either re-rip and/or re-download that much music.  Also the maintenance and access of the file system would be offloaded from the BDP and handled by another processor.  Finally some NAS's that are slighter greater then entry level tend to have backup features to protect against file system corruption. 

As far as choosing a NAS, customers have had mixed results with getting synology branded NAS's to work with there BDP's.  Drobo, qnap, wd and apples Time Capsule have been fairly straight forward to setup.

Cheers,
Chris

[ttsto]

I use Zyxel NAS and its software creates share "music" that I use. This was good enough for now, but I believe it allows any number of shares.

[astarock]

Yes, i understand that the NAS solution in my case is the wise choice. Besides, i allready own a 12TB synology NAS.

But, without loosing your time with details, the hard drive connected to the BDP-1 sits on audiophil rack, sandwitched between sympsium rollerblocks series2 and HRS(harmonic resolution system) damper plate. And once you heard the huge benifits it gives to such a simple thing as a hard drive, there's no turning back.

So music stored on a NAS is not the best option on my system. Easier to controll vibration from a single hard drive instead of a multiple HDD solution like a NAS.

Today i tried some tweaks to my 4TB, without success. But finally mannaged to making it work by creating 2 X 2TB FAT32 partitions on my GUID 4TB HDD. So if my conclusion are correct, the Bryston BDP-1, can't say about BDP-2, does not support hard drive more than 2TB cause the GUID partition is working below 2TB but not above.

Still wondering about Chris Rice's answer!

[Ned F. Kuehn]

NTFS powered 4 TB drive works fine with my BDP-1.

If you have a Mac, you need a NTFS driver to write to NTFS formatted drives, however you should be able to read from NTFS formatted drives (though I find at times this to be a bit flaky - perhaps better with Mavericks, but I have not had a need to try yet).

Mac journal formatted drive will need a driver to read/write on a Windows computer.

FAT formatted drive will allow read/write on both Mac and Windows.

[astarock]

Hi Ned, you quoted that you mannaged in making a 4TB NTFS drive work on your BDP-1. Care to share how you did-it?

For 2 years i used this Western Digital 2TB black drive into a OWC enclosure and worked perfectly fine on my BDP-1, in FAT32 that is. So, in need of bigger HDD, i swapped the 2TB HDD for, again, a Western Digital black drive, but with 4TB capacity this time. Always in the same OWC enclosure.

Used Windows 7 built-in storage management to format it to NTFS on a GUID partition, the only choice i got cause MBR would simply reduce the 4TB capacity to 2TB. So tried the newly formatted drive on windows to check if everything was working normally, witch was the case.

Then connected the drive and started my BDP-1. Once the boot up procedure finished, witch showed the "Unsupported_FS" for a second, i checked with the Bryston web interface if the drive was present on the drive list, witch was there. Perfect then!!!? NO, wrong answer.

I use my computer to put freshly new ripped cds to the BDP-1 HDD with the network showing on windows. The Real problem is each time i clicked on the Bryston BDP-1 listed on the network, i couldn't see my hard drive, name BDPMUSIC. There is just a blank page! So no way to do any kind of file transfer from computer to BDP-1 HDD.

[Ned F. Kuehn]

I use the Lacie S+ARCK Blade Runner 4 GB external powered drive. No problems. The drive was formatted with the included Lacie setup software. I am aware that Western Digital, Seagate, and probably Lacie have a way to "fool" legacy computers to read these large disks (perhaps that is going on here). I have seen with a brief Google search that some older USB or SATA interfaces may result in only seeing 2 TB rather than 4 TB. The Blade Runner has a USB 3 interface. This drive is deathly quiet, but may no longer be available as only 9,999 were made (I bought 2). I copy my files to an external hard drive on a Windows Pro 7 laptop. I use SynchBack SE software to transfer files so that if I make a change in the laptop hard drive, the file on the Blade Runner attached to the Bryston will be erased and replaced by the changed file. All new files are added to the Blade Runner. All transfers are done through wired network connections to the BDP-1. So I am not certain where the problem might be (drive enclosure USB interface?). Someone much smarter than I on these matters will need to chime in.