[cazten]

Looks great, that Satori woofer cone is really growing on me. I didn't like it at first but I know its a great woofer.

Comparison time !?!

[Rick Craig]

Here are a few graphs...




On-axis (black) versus 30 degrees off-axis / horizontally (blue).




Nearfield bass response.

[jtwrace]

How about changing the "Y" axis to 5dB scaling? 

[Rick Craig]

How about changing the "Y" axis to 5dB scaling?

Here's a curve I just shot on-axis with a 5db scale and the microphone placed a little lower and closer in to the speaker. Hmm... saved as a 10db scale - let me see my software settings.

[jtwrace]

Here's a curve I just shot on-axis with a 5db scale and the microphone placed a little lower and closer in to the speaker.

Can you define "a little lower and closer" compared to the previous?  What are the exact measurements and placement and the delta between?

[Rick Craig]

Can you define "a little lower and closer" compared to the previous?  What are the exact measurements and placement and the delta between?

The initial curves were about .7M distance with the mic centered on the middle of the tweeter. The last curve was at .5M and the microphone height at the point where the driver frames meet. As you can see the response is very linear regardless what the scale is. I typically measure with a 10db scale not to make the curves look nicer but for easier comparison with my crossover software. The greater scale allows me a better picture of driver rolloffs and breakups during the crossover design phase.

[Rick Craig]

How about changing the "Y" axis to 5dB scaling?

Here's a print screen capture with 5db scaling.

[jtwrace]

Thank you.

[Rick Craig]

Looks great, that Satori woofer cone is really growing on me. I didn't like it at first but I know its a great woofer.

Comparison time !?!

Been spending quite a bit of time listening to different recordings. I've used most of the high-end drivers in this size range (6.5"-7") and for the $ this woofer is exceptional. Being a little smaller in cone area and with less excursion than the Scan-Speak Illuminator the Scan still reigns supreme in the lower frequencies. Not to say the Satori's bass is wimpy - it still has good definition and extension. The midrange is where it really performs and is very neutral with good detail. The higher sensitivity is a bonus as well for those that have amps with less power that can drive a 4-ohm load. Also takes a smaller cabinet than the Scan if that's something that appeals to you.

In comparison to other drivers I would say it's a great alternative to the Audio Technology and Accuton woofers of similar size and a much better value. Based on the bass differences I still prefer the Illuminator in the Tempesta design; however, it could be an option for someone looking to save a little money and have a more compact cabinet (plus extra sensitivity). It's the perfect driver for those that prefer paper-based cones but don't want to sacrifice detail. If you lean towards stiffer cones (metal, ceramic, etc.) like I do this driver might change your mind. 

[TF1216]

Been spending quite a bit of time listening to different recordings. I've used most of the high-end drivers in this size range (6.5"-7") and for the $ this woofer is exceptional. Being a little smaller in cone area and with less excursion than the Scan-Speak Illuminator the Scan still reigns supreme in the lower frequencies. Not to say the Satori's bass is wimpy - it still has good definition and extension. The midrange is where it really performs and is very neutral with good detail. The higher sensitivity is a bonus as well for those that have amps with less power that can drive a 4-ohm load. Also takes a smaller cabinet than the Scan if that's something that appeals to you.

In comparison to other drivers I would say it's a great alternative to the Audio Technology and Accuton woofers of similar size and a much better value. Based on the bass differences I still prefer the Illuminator in the Tempesta design; however, it could be an option for someone looking to save a little money and have a more compact cabinet (plus extra sensitivity). It's the perfect driver for those that prefer paper-based cones but don't want to sacrifice detail. If you lean towards stiffer cones (metal, ceramic, etc.) like I do this driver might change your mind. 

Hi Rick,

Did your opinion regarding Audio Technology drivers change?  If I remember correctly you placed a few midrange/midbass drivers ahead of them regarding only performance.

[Rick Craig]

Hi Rick,

Did your opinion regarding Audio Technology drivers change?  If I remember correctly you placed a few midrange/midbass drivers ahead of them regarding only performance.

No change in opinion on the AT drivers - good drivers but the Illuminator and Satori offer better performance for less cost.

[this_is_vv]

Been spending quite a bit of time listening to different recordings. I've used most of the high-end drivers in this size range (6.5"-7") and for the $ this woofer is exceptional. Being a little smaller in cone area and with less excursion than the Scan-Speak Illuminator the Scan still reigns supreme in the lower frequencies. Not to say the Satori's bass is wimpy - it still has good definition and extension. The midrange is where it really performs and is very neutral with good detail. The higher sensitivity is a bonus as well for those that have amps with less power that can drive a 4-ohm load. Also takes a smaller cabinet than the Scan if that's something that appeals to you.

In comparison to other drivers I would say it's a great alternative to the Audio Technology and Accuton woofers of similar size and a much better value. Based on the bass differences I still prefer the Illuminator in the Tempesta design; however, it could be an option for someone looking to save a little money and have a more compact cabinet (plus extra sensitivity). It's the perfect driver for those that prefer paper-based cones but don't want to sacrifice detail. If you lean towards stiffer cones (metal, ceramic, etc.) like I do this driver might change your mind. 

How much you will rate this against the Pricest accuton i know C173-C90

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-6-midrange/accuton-c173-6-090-6.5-ceramic-cone-midrange/


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[Rick Craig]

How much you will rate this against the Pricest accuton i know C173-C90

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-6-midrange/accuton-c173-6-090-6.5-ceramic-cone-midrange/


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I've used that driver and it's a midrange - not really a good comparison.

[this_is_vv]

I've used that driver and it's a midrange - not really a good comparison.

thanks for replying on this anyhow....

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[ttan98]

Hi,

Jeff B. from another forum seemed to get a 1200Hz notch(moderately deep) from the Satori, your results shows a much shallower notch at around the same freq. He is however very happy with his design and the performance, sound wise of course from this driver.

What is the overall sensitivity you are getting from this design?

[Rick Craig]

Hi,

Jeff B. from another forum seemed to get a 1200Hz notch(moderately deep) from the Satori, your results shows a much shallower notch at around the same freq. He is however very happy with his design and the performance, sound wise of course from this driver.

What is the overall sensitivity you are getting from this design?

Yes, there is the edge resonance which is too be expected with a paper-based cone. The tweeter response helps to fill in that area a little bit. This is also a 1/6 octave plot so using 1/48 like Jeff did will show more resolution with narrow band dips. 88.5 db sensitivity (this is the 4-ohm version of the woofer - Jeff used the 8-ohm version).

[Rick Craig]

Here's a Satori center channel that I'm working on...

[cazten]

What's the mid and tweeter

[Vapor Audio]

No change in opinion on the AT drivers - good drivers but the Illuminator and Satori offer better performance for less cost.

Based on your experience using an unknown model 18H that came out of some guys car stereo? 

http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php?33824-Audio-Technology-woofer

That's the only time I've ever seen you say anything about using an AT driver.  Just curious if you have any other experience with AT woofers, and if so which ones?

[Rick Craig]

What's the mid and tweeter

Scan-Speak mid and tweeter.