Linear regulated power supply

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kinku

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Linear regulated power supply
« on: 12 Jun 2013, 11:27 am »
I am looking around to find some low noise linear power suply designs with 1-2 amp current rating. Does anyone know any DIY circuits.It is for using with digital line level devices.
http://tangentsoft.net/elec/misc/diy-series-linregs.pdf
Will one of these will work for a 5V,1.5AMP circuit?
« Last Edit: 12 Jun 2013, 01:09 pm by kinku »

peranders

Re: Linear regulated power supply
« Reply #1 on: 19 Jun 2013, 06:22 pm »
My SSR01 could possibly be tunes to 1.5 amps but I have never tested it.

randytsuch

Re: Linear regulated power supply
« Reply #2 on: 19 Jun 2013, 11:18 pm »
From what I remember, the ALW version of a jung can do it, but I won't swear to it.
I just looked at the instruction manual ALW put out, and I didn't see any info on current so I must have seen it somewhere else, when I was working on a project with it.

But you need to consider other factors.  Input voltage to the reg matters, the higher the voltage the more power you need to dissipate.  Also, heatsinking becomes critical.  The ALW reg has two parts that need heatsinking, especially at higher current draw.  They are at the edge of the board, so they are easy to heatsink.

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Re: Linear regulated power supply
« Reply #3 on: 20 Jun 2013, 05:19 pm »
If you're looking for a high quality, low cost linear regulated PS circuit, this will work.

http://www.analogmetric.com/goods.php?id=1114

Just add transformer, case, and connections, set your output voltage with the trim pot, and you're good.  You can easily tweak on it if you want: choke filter, bypass caps, Bybee music rail, etc.

I wish I had known about this five years ago when I was building my squeezebox PS.  I haven't ordered from this company so I can't comment on their customer service. 


Russ

BTW, the Bybee Music Rails work really well.  Made a significant difference in the split rail PS I built for my phonostage and in my Oppo 103 when placed on the rails between the switching PS and the analog board.

gootee

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Re: Linear regulated power supply
« Reply #4 on: 1 Jul 2013, 07:32 am »
I am looking around to find some low noise linear power suply designs with 1-2 amp current rating. Does anyone know any DIY circuits.It is for using with digital line level devices.
http://tangentsoft.net/elec/misc/diy-series-linregs.pdf
Will one of these will work for a 5V,1.5AMP circuit?

Not sure what you mean by "low noise", for a linear power supply.  And noise should be less important for a digital device.

I see that your link has some of the advanced discrete regulator circuit schematics.  I suspect that any of those would be overkill, for your application.  (But of course overkill doesn't hurt, except for your time and money.)

With most audio systems, but maybe especially with digital devices, assuming you are building the device to be powered, and even if you use a super-regulator type of circuit, the most (and maybe only) important thing is to ensure that current is available, at the power pins of the active devices, exactly when and as they try to allow it to flow.

That is usually best done with a combination of properly-configured decoupling capacitor networks at each point of load, local bulk decoupling capacitors, and power supply reservoir capacitors.  Alternatively, with the right regulator or super-regulator, some of those capacitors can be omitted, if the regulator output is very close to the point of load.

But if you don't get the decoupling capacitors correctly configured (i.e. their sizes, capacitances, and distances from each point of load (chip power pins)), then no super-regulator nor any other power supply can fix that problem (unless, perhaps, you connect its output capacitance within a millimeter of the chip's power pin).

For digital devices, at the chip or transistor level, it is extremely important to have a physically-small decoupling capacitor connected extremely close to each power pin, with its other end connected by the shortest-possible path to the load's or chip's ground.  Otherwise, the fast-rising current that's required would have to attempt to come through the inductances of the longer power and ground rails.  Two bad things then occur: The correct current amplitude doesn't get there soon-enough, and, a voltage spike is induced across the distributed inductances of the power and ground rail conductors.  Even with low-amplitude currents and small inductances, the voltage spikes can be large, since their amplitude depends only on the time rate-of-change of the current, times the inductance, as in v = L di/dt .

It's best to not guess at the minimum capacitance needed, or how long the connections can be, or even how large the capacitor's lead spacing is allowed to be.  Those are all easy-enough to calculate.  Also, in order to have low-enough inductance (which is mostly determined by lead spacing and connection lengths), it is often necessary to parallel more than one capacitor.  If that is needed, it will become obvious from the calculations.

If you don't want to do any calculations, you can see if the chip's datasheet recommends any specific decoupling capacitance configuration, or, you can try the "standard" ones, such as a 0.01 uF or 0.1 uF X7R ceramic, in parallel with a 10 uF aluminum electrolytic.

If you are really serious about building the best-performing system, you will need to design a multi-layer printed circuit board, with at least four layers, with good power and ground planes, with the correct between-plane spacing.  If you are DIY'ing at home and can only make a 2-sided PCB, then at least use a ground plane.

I would post the calculation method for decoupling capacitors' minimum sizes and maximum connection lengths, here, now, but it's way past my bedtime, and, it has occurred to me that maybe no one is interested-enough for me to be able to justify the effort.

But I will check back and if there is any interest, then I will provide what I think I know.  Or, look at Henry Ott's excellent book, "Electromagnetic Compatibility Engineering", or websites by people like Henry Ott, Howard Johnson, Bruce Achambeault, Eric Bogatin, and others.

Here is a link to a paper that is pretty good, and has the right equations, but might be overkill for most DIYers:

http://www.si-list.net/files/published/sun/cpmt_1999.pdf

That paper was mentioned here:

http://www.sigcon.com/Pubs/news/1_6.htm

And here is a real treasure trove of design information (except they call them bypass caps instead of decoupling caps):

http://www.sigcon.com/Pubs/pubsKeyword.htm#bypass capacitors

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Re: Linear regulated power supply
« Reply #5 on: 1 Jul 2013, 12:40 pm »
While 'gootee' is a newbie to this forum, he is not a newbie when it comes to audio equipment power supplies.

Even though the signals that we are interested in are at audio frequencies, the noise that the power supply has to deal with extends to extremely high radio frequencies.

sonicboom

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Re: Linear regulated power supply
« Reply #6 on: 1 Jul 2013, 05:11 pm »
I am looking around to find some low noise linear power suply designs with 1-2 amp current rating. Does anyone know any DIY circuits.It is for using with digital line level devices.

Read the following link to a post by John Swenson on power supplies.  It contains a schematic at the bottom, an original design for the squeezebox spec'ed for 5V at 1.5A.

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?82648-Linear-Power-Supplies&p=685571&viewfull=1#post685571

Gootee,

Very informative post and thanks for the links.

pfarthing

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Re: Linear regulated power supply
« Reply #7 on: 8 Jul 2013, 09:04 pm »
I highly recommend the AMB Sigma 11 http://www.amb.org/audio/sigma11/  -- I use this to power my Squeezebox Touch. Compared it to the iFi iUSB which was definitely good but I find the O11 more refined.
Not certain if it can handle your current requirements without massive heatsinking, though.

People also recommend the Paul Hynes supplies but they are very expensive.

Folsom

Re: Linear regulated power supply
« Reply #8 on: 9 Jul 2013, 06:56 am »
gootee, great comments on having capacitors near the digital IC's. Available current is, I'd say, paramount to entertaining playback. To a point that some low noise devices aren't dynamic enough. For that reason I wouldn't be convinced some of these super regulators sound better than other noise reduction devices (Bybee's for instance), in an overall performance perception.

But... You're totally wrong about noise! Digital equipment is extremely affected by noise. Not only that but the device's types of distortion affect our ears differently. So to say any distortion caused by any amount of noise is likely outstandingly significant. If it wasn't true, well I know numerous people that'd be pretty fascinated how filtration improved their sound so dramatically but not be removing noise.

mjock3

Re: Linear regulated power supply
« Reply #9 on: 20 Jul 2013, 07:17 pm »
Thanks gootee for the info, much appreciated. :thumb:

jedrider

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Re: Linear regulated power supply
« Reply #10 on: 1 Dec 2013, 07:12 pm »
LPS or Rescue Transformer

Damn, is that all there is to high fidelity?



It's smaller than it looks, but bigger than anything one typically buys.

(Yep, I would just order one of those pre-assembled circuits, because I just followed the app notes for a simple linear regulator.  However, the key is to find a used transformer because that will be where most of the cost is, except for the case, perhaps.)

rlee8394

Re: Linear regulated power supply
« Reply #11 on: 1 Dec 2013, 11:39 pm »