[nrenter]

...most nearly every case cheap equipment does not have high current/high slew rate drivers for balanced outputs.
Which you need to drive long runs (higher capacitance) cable.

Well, the Shure SM57/58 is an example of a relatively inexpensive balanced device that produces neither a high current nor a high slew rate output - and performs quite well well with *very* long cable runs. Actually, this is exactly an instance why a balanced approach is ideal. There are lots of examples like this in studios (I spent 4 years working in various studios while getting my EE undergrad).

But I do agree that, assuming a fully differential output, that a longer balanced run of interconnects is superior to longer runs of speaker cable.

[jcotner]

Well, the Shure SM57/58 is an example of a relatively inexpensive balanced device that produces neither a high current nor a high slew rate output - and performs quite well well with *very* long cable runs.

Geesh I guess I should have said active.
I was referring to things with active drive stages and
microphones including condensers with phantom
power were not included.
But find me a microphone that I can connect directly
to a power amplifier with a long XLR line and
I'd be willing to include microphones in the
argument also!  (Shure Vocal Master doesn't count   ")
They may actually make such a beast for all I know. 

[gmurray618]

I would love to hear people's take on these two wires.     I love knowledge base that has contributed here. 
For those of you who like speaker cables http://diyaudioprojects.com/Power/Low-Inductance-DIY-Speaker-Cables/


and for you interconnect [size=78%]http://diyaudioprojects.com/Power/DIY-Shielded-RCA-Interconnect-Cables/[/size]


I don't have any experience with either of them yet but plan to replace my speaker cables after i get my speakers built.   

[Danny Richie]

I would love to hear people's take on these two wires.     I love knowledge base that has contributed here.   
For those of you who like speaker cables http://diyaudioprojects.com/Power/Low-Inductance-DIY-Speaker-Cables/

Nice work on the braiding. That is very effective. Not good wire though. That is PVC jacketed electrical wire. And the ends are not good either.

Similar braids can be done with the interconnect with good effect as well.

[DaveC113]

I would love to hear people's take on these two wires.     I love knowledge base that has contributed here. 
For those of you who like speaker cables http://diyaudioprojects.com/Power/Low-Inductance-DIY-Speaker-Cables/


and for you interconnect [size=78%]http://diyaudioprojects.com/Power/DIY-Shielded-RCA-Interconnect-Cables/[/size]


I don't have any experience with either of them yet but plan to replace my speaker cables after i get my speakers built.   

Speaker cables will be ok, design is decent but materials are poor.

ICs won't be very good though, you're better off with an unshielded twisted pair or litz braid IMO. Also, using an RCA plug with a pure copper pin is a good idea.

For all cables, I strongly prefer UPOCC copper.

[avahifi]

Braided speaker and interconnect wires trade off inductance for capacitance.

Very bad idea.

Simple test:  Look at the output of your amp or preamp driving your braided wires with a scope, using 1K square waves (at low level to protect your speakers) and watch the square wave exhibit great gobs of ringing and overshoot.  Then realize that your braided wires are doing this to music signals too.  Output is no longer even close to input.

This is called distortion.  You can see it, measure it, but unfortunately weird wire users seem not to be able to hear it.

I give up.

Frank Van Alstine

[davisoly]

You obviously are unmarried. If you were married, "your" listening room's furniture arrangement would be dictated by your wife. In turn, this would dictate your selection of cables. Congratulations!
davisoly

[avahifi]

Yah, I am unmarried.  My wife died of colon cancer 16 years ago.

My choice of cables is based upon what works really well from a rational EE standpoint, mostly Bluejeans cables right now.

My late wife had nothing to do with my selection of equipment for our own home system, she just enjoyed the music as much as I did and still do.

Keep your cheap shots elsewhere please, asshole.

Frank Van Alstine

[gmurray618]

Ok.  Capacitance bad.  Don't want an extra high freq. filter between my amp and speakers.  Even if it is above my ability to hear (those last few kHz yards know).      And I certainly don't want to invite the evils of distortion. 

So how about these?
http://diyaudioprojects.com/Power/Belden-89259-Speaker-Cables/
They definitely do not have the wife appeal but the materials are beaffier and more details can be found here. http://web.archive.org/web/20091022022654/http://geocities.com/jonrisch/s2.htm

All opinions that promote better listening and and harmony welcome.
Thanks in advance.


 

[bdp24]

Yah, I am unmarried.  My wife died of colon cancer 16 years ago.

My choice of cables is based upon what works really well from a rational EE standpoint, mostly Bluejeans cables right now.

My late wife had nothing to do with my selection of equipment for our own home system, she just enjoyed the music as much as I did and still do.

Keep your cheap shots elsewhere please, asshole.

Frank Van Alstine

Frank, I think davisoly's comment was in regard to the OP's furniture arrangement, not at you. Let me take this opportunity to thank you for your years of views on all things audio from an EE perspective!

[gregfisk]

Yes Frank, this was Davisoly's first post and he probably didn't know how to "quote" the person he was speaking to. I very much appreciate the input from a veteran like yourself and I am sorry to here you lost your wife. Being a small business owner and now having my wife as a partner, I'm not sure how I would deal with her being gone.

Thank's for all your input and knowledge Frank, it's straight shooters like you that keep this hobby real.

Take Care,

Greg

[Danny Richie]

Frank,

I am pretty sure that davisoly was referring to the original poster. This is a pic of his dream theater.



And you did not even mention your listening rooms furniture arrangement. So why would anyone comment on it?

And name calling may be the norm over in your circle but it doesn't fly here. You can post here if you like, but only if you can be respectful to everyone else. And please edit or clean up that last post of yours.

And Davisoly I can assure you that this is not the norm here in the GR Research circle. I am sorry you got such an unwelcome reception. Please feel free to stick around and post whenever you like. You will be welcome here.

[Danny Richie]

So how about these?
http://diyaudioprojects.com/Power/Belden-89259-Speaker-Cables/
They definitely do not have the wife appeal but the materials are beaffier and more details can be found here. http://web.archive.org/web/20091022022654/http://geocities.com/jonrisch/s2.htm

All opinions that promote better listening and and harmony welcome.
Thanks in advance.

John Risch has a way for coming up with and sharing low cost designs that work pretty well. I can't say that I'd be real quick to try a coaxial cable for speaker wire, but in some applications it might work out well for someone.

Here is my favorite to date. It's the B-6 cable:  http://www.electracable.com/speakercables.htm

And I can tell you from experience that isn't just about capacitance, inductance, or resistance. The speaker cables to some degree are an antenna and a filter. Some are more of one than the other. Noise rejection goes a long way.

[SoCalWJS]

John Risch has a way for coming up with and sharing low cost designs that work pretty well. I can't say that I'd be real quick to try a coaxial cable for speaker wire, but in some applications it might work out well for someone.

Here is my favorite to date. It's the B-6 cable:  http://www.electracable.com/speakercables.htm

And I can tell you from experience that isn't just about capacitance, inductance, or resistance. The speaker cables to some degree are an antenna and a filter. Some are more of one than the other. Noise rejection goes a long way.

Appears similar to some of the Kimber speaker wires.

Similar in sound?

[Danny Richie]

Appears similar to some of the Kimber speaker wires.

Similar in sound?

It might be similar in some ways. I like the solid core wire and I like the polyethylene jacketing. It sounds sooooo much better than PVC.

[bdp24]

Frank,

I am pretty sure that davisoly was referring to the original poster. This is a pic of his dream theater.



And you did not even mention your listening rooms furniture arrangement. So why would anyone comment on it?

And name calling may be the norm over in your circle but it doesn't fly here. You can post here if you like, but only if you can be respectful to everyone else. And please edit or clean up that last post of yours.


And Davisoly I can assure you that this is not the norm here in the GR Research circle. I am sorry you got such an unwelcome reception. Please feel free to stick around and post whenever you like. You will be welcome here.

And a dream theater it IS. Beautiful room, great layout, quality equiptment. Congratulations!

[Skiman]

It's been a while, but I thought I'd give an update. As planned, I added a pair of Emotiva XPR-1 monoblocks, a pair of Skiing Ninja custom external crossovers for the LS9s, an Oppo 105, and moved my Pass Labs X-1 preamp to the front. I went with Electratube E1 ICs and B6 speaker cables for stereo, and a pair of long Better Cables Silver Serpent XLR ICs between the prepro in the back to the monoblocks. Electratube tube connectors were used on the three front speakers and crossover.

[Danny Richie]

Wow, beautiful room.

And I love what you did with the outboard crossovers. That makes it real easy to make bass management adjustments.

And the finish on those speakers looks awesome.