[andyr]

Not sure what an 'a-over-t analogy' is?

"a.r.s.e over t.i.t" - ie. upside down. 


Regards,

Andy

[WireNut]

Every time I go into a listening session I go thru probably a 100 LP’s and only listen to about six.
Then I have to go back thru the same 100 LP’s to find out where they came from. 

[harley52]

What's the best bang for buck cartridge that has a lush, romantic sound for the QL Y5F. Would like to stay under $600.
THanks for any help.
Harley

[neobop]

What's the best bang for buck cartridge that has a lush, romantic sound for the QL Y5F. Would like to stay under $600.
THanks for any help.
Harley

I think you might have the wrong thread, but that's okay.  I saw this on Agon, a LOMC?
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/cartridges-kiseki-milltek-2013-06-07-analog-netherlands

I don't know about this model, except it weighs about 9g.  I had a Kisiki Blue yrs ago and it was quite good - lush and romantic.  You could probably get it for less than asking price, but I would find out the details/specs, and if that's the original cantilever material.  Despite what the ad says, there's not much useful info on the net.  I did see some photos and the orig cantilever looked like it might be boron and this looks like new aluminum, in which case I'd be leery.

Most of the lush/romantic carts tend to be expensive MCs.  Maybe you could find a used Koetsu Black. 
neo

[doug s.]

Just ONE thing?  C'mon folks, vinyl's a PITA - or to put it more politely, a "labor of love".  Apply "LAST" to the stylus (how often ? no one agrees).  Even w/ my VPI 16.5 it seems every time I put the record on it's accumulated dust, which a "discwasher" style brush just seems to shift & pile up in one line vs removing.  P.s. anyone have a recommendation on a good brush or device for dust removal for each play?  Pop & cllcks are the least of it (if the record doesn't skip) - except maybe w/ very quiet music (why is probably why I prefer to listen to classical w/ a lot of quiet parts on digital). 

So why carry on ? - because at it's best vinyl delivers those "wow" moments I've rarely heard from digital, particularly for me vs early digital (80s) that hasn't been remastered.  That & it is nice to have ample stock of $1-$3 music......

But if we ever get to the stage where digital reliably and consistently surpasses vinyl - I'll be the first to defect.....

pick up a rek-o-kut dust bug, or something similar.  this, and simple hand-washing of records, has kept my winyl pretty pristine.  i hand wash all my records before initial play, and using a dust bug, which tracks the record along w/the stylus, keeps the records clean and they rarely, if ever, need another wash.  also, many of these have a ground wire which helps eliminate static.

http://www.needledoctor.com/Rek-O-Kut-Dust-Bug-Brush-Kit
http://www.esotericsound.com/access.htm
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290929228427


you can see a keith monks record sweeper on my turntable in this pic:



doug s.

[WireNut]

 
  The one thing I don't like about vinyl is the fact that I can't make my own duplicate vinyl copies 

[plastico]

Throwing on a compilation, cranking the volume , and taking a shower. You are full of shampoo and the 2nd song starts to skip over and over and over and over!! This just happened and I thought of this thread right away...

Cheers, Plastico

[SteveFord]

Thanks, doug, just what I need, another stupid thing to buy!
It's endless but thanks for the links, I think.

[jimdgoulding]

For we romantics, part of the pudding is in the preparation.  Like a soufflé, analog takes some doing and with organic ingredients.  Vibration is organic, reading bits ain't.  Andy Warhol was putting the art world on.  Most folks, I suspect, who think digital is a superior playback medium are more recent to our hobby.  Well, this ain't a hobby for me, and for persons making this argument, maybe, truthful reproduction of music is a passion.  I jumped on the digital bandwagon at first like most everybody, but I had something to compare it to.  And, over time, digital couldn't quite give me the love I sought.  Excitement, yes, but not the whole enchilada.  Wish I had a better word for it.  My recommendation is that you try this medium  Those of you who have and disagree . . well, it's out there so there is still hope.

The YPI Traveler and the Rega Planar 3 are fine tables, no doubt.  Do your homework and see.  Must say that moving coil cartridges have immediacy and energy that I don't believe moving magnet cartridges can hang with.  I just retired a Grado Signature Reference for my very, very old Koetsu Black for that reason.  Then, I went and ordered a Shelter 501 II MC with a Vista phono pre.  Call it a belated, very belated, birthday present.

Come back here for cartridge alignment instruction.  That's the last brick to remove between you and it.

Yes, digital has advanced.  But. it's still digital.  Musical instruments whatever their origin radiate energy and that's what the microphone hears and analog tape captures.  Energy is not composed of bits.  You can make bits real fine but they are still static.  Vibration of energy is the composition of all living things.  Digital is a fine copy.  Like a finer than an Ansel Adams' lithograph.  Hey, he's the master of static art.  Digital has probably caught him.

[jimdgoulding]

Ok if I bump this cause it took me awhile to complete the bloody thing.  Thanks.

[Crimson]

For we romantics, part of the pudding is in the preparation.  Like a soufflé, analog takes some doing and with organic ingredients.  Vibration is organic, reading bits ain't.

Sorry to soften your soufflé, but vibration is not 'organic'. It is predictable to the absolute, and can be reduced to a simple equation.

I agree with your overall observations about analog, but not for the reasons cited.

[jimdgoulding]

censored for triteness by me

[neobop]

Sorry to soften your soufflé, but vibration is not 'organic'. It is predictable to the absolute, and can be reduced to a simple equation.

I agree with your overall observations about analog, but not for the reasons cited.

Depends on what kind of vibration you're talking about.  Vibration is a natural phenomena, whether predictable or not, and I assume that's what Jim meant by "organic".   Sorry to burst your bubble Crimson, but predictability does not preclude natural, organic.  In fact, natural is the very reason it might be predictable.  Sloppy thinking.

Vibration isn't always so easy to predict.  What about the vibrations of a cantilever in play, easy to predict, a simple equation in four dimensions?

I notice it says volunteer under your name.  A couple of volunteers post on vinyl circle regularly and contribute to the general discussion.  Are you one of those or one of the volunteers who comes around to show off or start trouble?  Just wondering.
neo 

 

[S Clark]

Jim began his discussion with "For we romantics...." and got to much of the appeal of vinyl for me.  The CD is ultimately a disposable medium destined for the trash bin.  Somewhere along the way someone told me that we never really own vinyl, it is instead entrusted to us to hold for the next caretaker.  Most of my listening compares to Jerome's, jazz and classical from 1950 to 1970.  A nice shaded dog, tulips, blue note, or blue back lp is a thing of joy unto itself- then add in the music- and there is an obligation to share with friends and future owners. I have hi rez stuff that has stunning sound, but  I don't listen to it nearly as often.

Scott

[jimdgoulding]

Is there some sonic advantage to downloading or computer audio?  This I know nothing about.  I have an acquaintance who got rid of all his vinyl collection and analog playback gear apparently cause he thinks computer audio is the future and is superior.  Proof of his ICD is that he did that.  Made a commitment of some kind to, I dunno, have no God stand before digital?  Got rid of everything analog and had really fine gear.  I was too blown away by this when I last visited to ask him why.  I'm pretty confident that his answer wouldn't have been rational.

Crimson, hi.  It should be noted that you agree overall about analog.

[neobop]

Crimson, hi.  It should be noted that you agree overall about analog.

Maybe my response was a little harsh.  When I see the designation thought police, volunteer, it evokes a negative reaction. 

Jim,
Think people will still be playing records 50 years from now?  I don't know about you, but I plan on being comfortably dead.  Still, maybe some guys will have old record players like collectors now might have a wind up Victrola.  Maybe not.  Maybe records and players will live on.
neo

[jimdgoulding]

Well, I often plant my daughter's friends in my chair for a listen.  I think they will.  In general, males seem to appreciate the sound more than females around here. 

[Chops]

The one thing I hate about vinyl is the fact that after I getting it spinning, I sit down and get situated with my laptop, before I know it, I'm getting back up to flip the LP. I'm really going to hate this when I start buying 45rpm LP's. 

[AllynW]

I hate that I got rid of my old albums. I had to start all over again !!!!

Me too!

[Johlke]

Maybe it's just my particular listening area, but the thing that annoys me about playing vinyl is the amount of static that builds up on the platters.  I treat each side with a Walker Talisman but there still seems to be a lot of static on them.  I wonder if standing on an anti-stat matt placed on the floor in front of my turntable would help?