[satfrat]

There's a lot of buzz being created over the high frame speed format 3D version of The Hobbit that will be shown is selected theaters next weekend.  Unlike the usual 24 frames per second film standard, this selected version doubles that to 48 frames per second and in doing so provides a crystal clear picture that some say make the movie's special effects look unnatural while others think the ultra clear picture actually brings Middle Earth to life. Read about it here. 

My theater is actually showing both versions,,, I'm gladly pay the premium price for the "Hi-Rez" Hobbit but I'll first pop a Dramamine, just in case. 

Cheers,
Robin

[Ericus Rex]

My wife is giddy about this release!

[sts9fan]

I plan to get amazingly sick.

[Don_S]

Do you get one free barf bag with every ticket? 

[JerryLove]

An increased frame rate should either have no effect on nausea or reduce it (due to reduced stutter).

[satfrat]

An increased frame rate should either have no effect on nausea or reduce it (due to reduced stutter).

Reports started circulating immediately after the film's world premiere in New Zealand that the increased 48 frames per second format used by Peter Jackson for The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey has made people physically ill (dizzy and/or nauseous) during preview screenings. 

Cheers,
Robin

[wushuliu]

Kubrick was originally going to project 2001 at 60fps (the effects were shot at that speed) but it was thought to look 'too real'. Sounds like the 48fps is some weird compromise. But it's not going to work. We have been trained for decades by reality shows and soap operas that photoreal movement equals tacky/campy and trained for nearly a century that 24fps is both art and true movement. It's like TVs now that have that ridiculous video look to movies. Whenever I go to Best Buy I ask myself who actually thinks that looks good? The thing just turned The Avengers into an expensive Handycam movie.

If you're watching a handycam blockbuster movie on the big screen, of course you're going to puke.

[wushuliu]

An increased frame rate should either have no effect on nausea or reduce it (due to reduced stutter).

Wow, that's wrong.

[ajzepp]

I cant wait to see it now! 

[satfrat]

I cant wait to see it now! 

166 minutes is a longgggggg time to "hold it in". 

[JerryLove]

Wow, that's wrong.

Your massive bombardment of statistics and supporting science has completely cleared that up for me. Thanks.

All I have is hundreds of hours of experience with real-time rendering at frame-rates varying from the teens to 110fps on which to base my own opinion.... but your data is unassailable.

That would explain all these apps I see to artificially lower frame-rates in video games.

[satfrat]

Your massive bombardment of statistics and supporting science has completely cleared that up for me. Thanks.

All I have is hundreds of hours of experience with real-time rendering at frame-rates varying from the teens to 110fps on which to base my own opinion.... but your data is unassailable.

That would explain all these apps I see to artificially lower frame-rates in video games.

Well that's waaay more than enough "massive bombardment of statistics and supporting science has completely cleared that up for me". Must be the actual viewers of the movie don't know what they're talking about,,, unlike yourself. I'll leave the Dramamine home.  Thanks for supplying your "data" Love.

Cheers,
Robin

[werd]

Ooooh, giddy giddy giddy...can't wait 


 

[JerryLove]

Well that's waaay more than enough "massive bombardment of statistics and supporting science has completely cleared that up for me". Must be the actual viewers of the movie don't know what they're talking about,,, unlike yourself. I'll leave the Dramamine home.  Thanks for supplying your "data" Love.

I made a "should" statement from personal experience and the complete lack of this being an issue in the high-frame rate gaming community. I was responded to with a "wrong" with no provided support.

As to the anecdotal reports: I believe that there are people coming out with motion sickness. People come out of every movie with motion sickness. I see nothing that indicates that the frame-rate is in any way involved.

In fact: the opposite seems to be the case. In the gaming world: people regularly report an increase in motion sickness related to frame latency and stutter. I know I've personally experienced that on more than one occasion (where changing the graphics settings or improving the underlying gear resolved both the fps/latency and nausea).

Some discussions on the issue: https://www.google.com/search?q=study+frame+rate+motion+sickness&oq=study+frame+rate+motion+sickness&aqs=chrome.0.57.4251&sugexp=chrome,mod=11&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

http://smartech.gatech.edu/jspui/bitstream/1853/3503/1/96-17.pdf
http://www-personal.engin.umd.umich.edu/~yilu/Teaching/ECE577_PROJECTS/portell/lecture/lecture9.htm
http://www.wildcrest.com/Potel/Portfolio/g1apps.lo.pdf
Level of Detail for 3D Graphics By David Luebke, Martin Reddy, Jonathan D. Cohen, Amitabh Varshney, Benjamin Watson, Robert Huebner (Pg 96)
http://www.cybertherapy.info/pages/hfact.htm

[steve in jersey]

I have'nt seen the question I'm most interested in, posed, so I'll ask . Are those of us not interested in 3D going to be able to see this movie in the theaters (with as many daily showings) ?

I would never have thought it would be necessary to ask this as with higher resolution filming I don't understand the "need" for a not absolutely perfected technology. I will become interested when the generation of 3D images is created from the projection system along with the screens . 3D glasses ? What nonsense !!!

[satfrat]

I made a "should" statement from personal experience and the complete lack of this being an issue in the high-frame rate gaming community. I was responded to with a "wrong" with no provided support.

As to the anecdotal reports: I believe that there are people coming out with motion sickness. People come out of every movie with motion sickness. I see nothing that indicates that the frame-rate is in any way involved.

In fact: the opposite seems to be the case. In the gaming world: people regularly report an increase in motion sickness related to frame latency and stutter. I know I've personally experienced that on more than one occasion (where changing the graphics settings or improving the underlying gear resolved both the fps/latency and nausea).

Some discussions on the issue: https://www.google.com/search?q=study+frame+rate+motion+sickness&oq=study+frame+rate+motion+sickness&aqs=chrome.0.57.4251&sugexp=chrome,mod=11&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

http://smartech.gatech.edu/jspui/bitstream/1853/3503/1/96-17.pdf
http://www-personal.engin.umd.umich.edu/~yilu/Teaching/ECE577_PROJECTS/portell/lecture/lecture9.htm
http://www.wildcrest.com/Potel/Portfolio/g1apps.lo.pdf
Level of Detail for 3D Graphics By David Luebke, Martin Reddy, Jonathan D. Cohen, Amitabh Varshney, Benjamin Watson, Robert Huebner (Pg 96)
http://www.cybertherapy.info/pages/hfact.htm

AGAIN,,,,,,, thanks for supplying your "data" Love. 

Cheers,
Robin

[ajzepp]

166 minutes is a longgggggg time to "hold it in". 

It sure is! 

 

[satfrat]

I have'nt seen the question I'm most interested in, posed, so I'll ask . Are those of us not interested in 3D going to be able to see this movie in the theaters (with as many daily showings) ?

I would never have thought it would be necessary to ask this as with higher resolution filming I don't understand the "need" for a not absolutely perfected technology. I will become interested when the generation of 3D images is created from the projection system along with the screens . 3D glasses ? What nonsense !!!

With The Hobbit showing in both 48 fps and 3D, there has been much interest in Jackson potentially ushering in a new era of film tech; however, early screenings of The Hobbit received more negative press than Warner Bros. would have liked. As such, the studio is limiting the number of locations that will show the film in 48 fps.

As it turns out, only 1 theater in Vermont will be showing the HFR 3D format. The Hobbit is also being shown in 3D IMAX, 2D and 3D,,,,,, something for everyone. I'd love to see this movie in IMAX but my curiosity of HFR 3D will be keeping me in Vermont's only HFR 3D theater.

Cheers,
Robin

[silver_strings]

I imagine they have testing done before they release it, Bbut the case could be different.

[satfrat]

Well last week, I read that there were over 600 theaters in the US that were showing HFR 3D. Now I'm seeing that number practically cut in half, basically because of the negative overseas viewing feedback.

1 thing's certain,,, I will be posting my opinion. 

Cheers,
Robin