[tomytoons]

http://theshowreport.com/tunelandpics/cdimipics/Cdimi.wmv

If anyone has checked out one of the above systems on Michael's site the above system may sound good but even if we/I wanted to there is no way to do that.
AND it is not going to be cheap, pretty or safe.

As I said, I have the larger "Room Tune" kit offerings it works well and has in 3 rooms.
I was just changing these around a little bit today and have gotten even more out of my room and system. Yes, I read into it on the site.

Followers? There are only 69 members on that site. Where's all the "tunies" ?
I see good guy Bill O'Connell is or has been there.
Not to be sarcastic just telling it like I see it.

[michael green MGA]

http://theshowreport.com/tunelandpics/cdimipics/Cdimi.wmv

If anyone has checked out one of the above systems on Michael's site the above system may sound good but even if we/I wanted to there is no way to do that.
AND it is not going to be cheap, pretty or safe.

As I said, I have the larger "Room Tune" kit offerings it works well and has in 3 rooms.
I was just changing these around a little bit today and have gotten even more out of my room and system. Yes, I read into it on the site.

Followers? There are only 69 members on that site. Where's all the "tunies" ?
I see good guy Bill O'Connell is or has been there.
Not to be sarcastic just telling it like I see it.

Hi tomy, still not sure why the comments. I'm not your enemy you know. But anyway, we deal with listeners through the techno-zone and by email mainly. I lot of folks like to stay private, mainly because of what they see happen on sites like this. There are a lot of audiophiles who read but don't like to get in to each others face. Some visit the techno-zone but I think most spend their time on www.tuneland.info that has I think like over 75,000 members. Usually what you see on both of these sites are people who are going a little more extreme. They are on the forums cause they want to have an ongoing account of their tuning. For me I like to have a few active systems on there, but when it gets bigger it does get hard to get around to all the systems. Personally I think it's a great idea to have your own thread as it can help you and others stay focused on a more progressive view of what you are doing on more of a timeline. I think this type of posting is going to be very common on all forums in time, but again as I have said before they will need to be a little more orderly than what is seen here, unless the mods give them Admin settings.

Calm down people sometimes needs to be said, listening is fun, don't spend so much time hurting or downing a very cool hobby. I think once the people here start to relax a little (tomy you included) you will see that we are all just a bunch of guys listening, designing, promoting and all the other stuff that happens along the way. But I think for those who are grumps you need to think about all those reading and learning and maybe you should take your Xanax and relax a little. The last thing a true listener wants to do is attack you or try to make you feel uncomfortable. Obviously some of you are uncomfortable, but this has really nothing to do with listening. I was busy this weekend but did get a few emails. One from someone who RoomTune fired a long time ago for being such a negative grouch. To this day he can't get his mind around how he was effecting others. He has the need or maybe sickness of pointing fingers at others for his own choices. The other emails are from your members still saying how upset they are at some of you being "audio idiots" (your members words not mine) and hurting a good thing. All of them wanting me to keep posting and do what I'm doing.

You know tomy, if you ever sit down with me and listen to a tunable system I'm not going to torture you, or electro-shock you. I'm going to do everything I can so that you can have a good time. I think what the emailers are trying to say is "let us have a good time". It's been again obvious that there are some unhappy people walking around but to keep dumping that on others can really get old, and it really doesn't help people get better sound. The mods I can't imagine like having to keep an eye on this thread to see how high the flames are. After a while you kinda have to let the flames burn out.

The other thing that you may not get is when you an others flame me, your giving me business. Your bringing attention to the tune and people are exploring and quite frankly their getting very good results and want to go further. Like I told a competitor who is upset to see me more present again, do what you feel you need to do cause then people will compare the 2 products and you will not win. I design products that cover the whole range of variables so that you can "tune" in your system. I don't stand on a box and say this is the only way. What I do is have several different variations of the same type of product so you can find the sound that suits you. So you see when you do your little jabs your opening the door for me to tell my side of this hobby from where I sit, including where I'm coming from as a person. This may be long over due. I'm not going to do the typical high end thing and paint a picture that is anything different than a path of a designer/listener/music guy and if you follow along and think it is cool you can buy any one of the pieces of the pie that makes my whole. I'm not going to twist arms, I'm going to make my way back into a more visible presence. It may happen over night like it did or it might take some time and building. So if you want to talk about how small my techno-zone is please do cause you will also see it get bigger because of your pointing a finger at it. We are also building a basic info site so "stay tuned".

This post is brought ot you by my new promotion guy, tomy

[tomytoons]

LOL!
I'm staying tuned.
At least I'm reading. Actually learned something there.
This hobby can get very eccentric and out of hand.
We all take this stuff way too personal.
No flames really.

Come on over, we'll have a few.
I will take advantage of your expertise.

[werd]

Update

Ok I am fully on baord with this now. I have been adjusting my speaker screws in order to tune up my speakers. Originally they sound tight, they have a really stiff presentation. It's good but when I loosen them up it gives more of a release. It's not subtle either. There seems to be a point where I need to get the screws correct and also it seems that I need to make sure that  the tension is correct on both speakers because they seem to be occasionally off balance when I just release the screws randomly. But this is definitely tweak able for the good. I am going to release the outlet again and see what thats like.

Dam you MGA...... Hehe. Let's see what else you got in your little box of tweaks..... 

[michael green MGA]

Update

Ok I am fully on baord with this now. I have been adjusting my speaker screws in order to tune up my speakers. Originally they sound tight, they have a really stiff presentation. It's good but when I loosenthem up it gives a more of a release. It's not subtle either. There seems to be a point where I need to get the screws correct and also it seems that I need to make sure that they the tension is correct on both speakers because they seem to be occasionally off balance when I just release the screws randomly. But this is definitely tweak able for the good. I am going to release the outlet again and see what thats like.

Dam you MGA...... Hehe. Let's see what else you got in your little box of tweaks..... 

Now that's the kind of Daming I like.

[werd]

Now that's the kind of Daming I like.

Dude it never dawned on me that you can tune the tension in your system..... Good call.

[werd]

Got all the screws loosen on my amp, dac, and bdp. My TPV dont  have any screws. I might have to tighten it all up and see what each do but it's all loosen up including my speaker cable into my speaks. definitely tunable and adjustable. Tempted now to pull some of the dampening out of my speaker. Wouldn't be able to do that tonight.

[michael green MGA]

I wanted to put this up for visitors so they can take a look at acoustics from the building up of energy. I'm noticing that a lot of folks are taking more of a kill approach instead of a control approach and for those interested this might help you with the tuning of your rooms.

First off as you can see in reviews of my product direct absorption is out. This could be half the battle for a lot of you. You might be killing the sound instead of preserving it. Lots of examples on Tuneland to look at but you can also use this guide.

When asked to look at rooms that have been treated and it still isn't right to the listener I usually see areas of the room that are the least needy being treated and the parts that really need it are not. Not that you won't take a look at those areas but if you do the non-loading areas you can and are more than likely putting your system out of balance. Your frequency range is decreasing and not maintaining in balance. This is causing the killing of needed sound.
Take a look at controlling vs imbalance.

[michael green MGA]

Got all the screws loosen on my amp, dac, and bdp. My TPV dont  have any screws. I might have to tighten it all up and see what each do but it's all loosen up including my speaker cable into my speaks. definitely tunable and adjustable. Tempted now to pull some of the dampening out of my speaker. Wouldn't be able to do that tonight.

Are you surprised that this stuff is so tunable?

I have been through this thousands and every time think about how we think that just because we have a component it's done. We plug and play it and that's it. Think of all the components people buy and they never really heard them or certainly have never heard how flexible a system can be.

Hello Audio Circle,

I hope your watching this happen. There is a whole hobby inside of the hobby you have.

[JerryLove]

What you've called "accoustical buildup points" are points of maximum or minimum pressure for resonance waves.
What you are putting in there we normally call "bass traps".

[Rclark]

they look pretty puny too (compared to RealTraps, GIK, etc). How effective can those be?

[werd]

Are you surprised that this stuff is so tunable?

I have been through this thousands and every time think about how we think that just because we have a component it's done. We plug and play it and that's it. Think of all the components people buy and they never really heard them or certainly have never heard how flexible a system can be.

Hello Audio Circle,

I hope your watching this happen. There is a whole hobby inside of the hobby you have.

Well i am actually glad it is because I was trying to use cabling to manipulate tension. It never did but I do agree on using low mass power cables. On my system the smaller gauge cables get the bass off the floor which I prefer. I use the wywires in 14 gauge which work better than any of my 10 gauge. My 10 gauge just bog everything down.

This just adds a whole new dimension in tweaking and should be taken quite seriousily.

[michael green MGA]

they look pretty puny too (compared to RealTraps, GIK, etc). How effective can those be?

You can use as many as you wish and as big as you wish, but if you read most of the reviews you will see that most of the reviewers of RoomTune chose fewer over more because of how efficient barricade control is over direct absorption.

Comparing is a good thing

Here's a few of their thoughts.

http://www.michaelgreenaudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=39

[Rclark]

BTW Michael, for your signature, the proper word is Affects, not effects.

[Rclark]

Also, your picture doesn't explain why the skinny traps are good, and are "tuning", and why the bigger traps, placed differently (why not put them in the same place?), are "distorting"

You need data at this point, my man.

[michael green MGA]

Also, your picture doesn't explain why the skinny traps are good, and are "tuning", and why the bigger traps, placed differently (why not put them in the same place?), are "distorting"

You need data at this point, my man.

What kind of data you you like?

[Rclark]

Well, you could start with an explanation of your method, and some measurements would be nice. Actually, start by explaining your "tuning" versus "distorting" picture above.

[*Scotty*]

werd, here is the torque wrench you will need for setting the same tension on all the screws on your loudspeaker drivers so that both speakers are identical. http://www.amazon.com/Wheeler-Firearms-Accurizing-Torque-Wrench/dp/B0012AXR4S/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pdT1_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=10VARVUVDQHR7&coliid=I102K659Z65OF9


Replacing the damping material in your loudspeakers with a controlled amount of cotton upholstery batting may also substantially increase the amount of dynamic life you have as well as making the speaker sound more open. I would recommend an initial thickness of no more than 1 inch to start with. You can suck the life right out of the music with too much of this stuff just like any other damping material. The cotton batting can easily be separated in half to give you a 1 inch thickness. When I used it I stuck it in place with a staple gun and used about a 4inch spacing between the the staples, you don't want to crush the loft out of the batting with too many staples.

http://www.onlinefabricstore.net/upholstery-batting/cotton-upholstery-batting/cotton-upholstery-batting-.htm
Strange as it seems you can also use waffle type carpet padding for damping the the walls of the enclosure as well with good results.

Hi-Density Mchanically Frothed Chemically Blown Micro Closed Cell Foam Cushion made by Shaw Industries Inc. may also be very good for use as a damping material as well, but I have not tested it yet myself. The 8lb density would be the preferred version of the product

More information can be found at this link. http://www.carpetguru.com/froth200.htm
Don't ask me why this technique of damping an enclosure frequently sounds better than the totally dead approach, I don't have a clue.
Scotty

[michael green MGA]

werd, here is the torque wrench you will need for setting the same tension on all the screws on your loudspeaker drivers so that both speakers are identical. http://www.amazon.com/Wheeler-Firearms-Accurizing-Torque-Wrench/dp/B0012AXR4S/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pdT1_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=10VARVUVDQHR7&coliid=I102K659Z65OF9


Replacing the damping material in your loudspeakers with a controlled amount of cotton upholstery batting may also substantially increase the amount of dynamic life you have as well as making the speaker sound more open. I would recommend an initial thickness of no more than 1 inch to start with. You can suck the life right out of the music with too much of this stuff just like any other damping material. The cotton batting can easily be separated in half to give you a 1 inch thickness. When I used it I stuck it in place with a staple gun and used about a 4inch spacing between the the staples, you don't want to crush the loft out of the batting with too many staples.

http://www.onlinefabricstore.net/upholstery-batting/cotton-upholstery-batting/cotton-upholstery-batting-.htm
Strange as it seems you can also use waffle type carpet padding for damping the the walls of the enclosure as well with good results.

Hi-Density Mchanically Frothed Chemically Blown Micro Closed Cell Foam Cushion made by Shaw Industries Inc. may also be very good for use as a damping material as well, but I have not tested it yet myself. The 8lb density would be the preferred version of the product

More information can be found at this link. http://www.carpetguru.com/froth200.htm
Don't ask me why this technique of damping an enclosure frequently sounds better than the totally dead approach, I don't have a clue.
Scotty

Hi Scotty

Excellent post! I highly recommend that folks get more creative inside of their cabinets, and the less is more holds very true.

[Rclark]

In the case of my GR Insignia mod, speakers, MORE has turned out to be MORE. I started with a ringy, fatiguing cabinet, and ended with something much better.

And please answer my question above.