[cheap-Jack]

Hi.

As one sided of an opinion as yours seems to be evidently.

What "one-sided"? I stated clearly I am still using CD-audio & DVD-audio along with vinyls. I've compared & hence commented above.
I'll be trying out a more superior digital audio format - Blu-ray sound. Have YOU ever dreamed of such new format ever existed?????

So have YOU owned & lived with all above 3 musical media let alone Blu-ray audio?????????????

c-J

[cheap-Jack]

Hi.

I liked the article.

I get a lot of enjoyment from CD now, and I hope to get another 30 years. 

I doubt it very much. With downloading PC softwares so cheaply available, I'd NOT hold my breath for another, say 10 years.

c-J

[satfrat]

Hi.
What "one-sided"? I stated clearly I am still using CD-audio & DVD-audio along with vinyls. I've compared & hence commented above.
I'll be trying out a more superior digital audio format - Blu-ray sound. Have YOU ever dreamed of such new format ever existed?????

So have YOU owned & lived with all above 3 musical media let alone Blu-ray audio?????????????

c-J

Maybe I just read your post wrong and took it the wrong way. Could be.

Me, the only CD's I own are the ones I burn for my car. Otherwise it's 100% hard drive for me. And no, I'm not interested in Blu-Ray even tho I've heard it and I love it as I do DVD-HD. But I'm a little "old in the tooth" and living on a shoestring income so what I now have is what it is and will be. With 15K albums on hard drive, I'll survive. And so long as CD-R's are available, my car will survive also. But I personally do find this article to be very incredibly enlightening. 

Cheers,
Robin

[cheap-Jack]

Hi.

CD's will probably be obsolete in the not too distant future. Music will be downloaded and the CD player will join cassette and 8 track players in the dustbin of history. Vinyl will always be here because it's true analogue and it has a very hardcore group of fanatics .

BINGO! I share 100% yr insight on digital sound, e.g. CD & the like digital audios. Digital advances so fast & makes what we have todate historic & obsolete before very long.

c-J

[satfrat]

Hi.
BINGO! I share 100% yr insight on digital sound, e.g. CD & the like digital audios. Digital advances so fast & makes what we have todate historic & obsolete before very long.

c-J

OK, I just tried to find Memorex black CD-r's that I use and had a rude awakening.  The future of the CD and my car's CD player sure doesn't look as rosey as it did the last time I bought CD-r's. I'm glad I still have 150 blank CD-r's for the very near future. 

Cheers,
Robin

[medium jim]

CD's will never go away as the industry is aware that many have had 30 years to accumulate collections.  The idea of a music server or hard drive crashing is an unpleasant thought. At worst, I will have to download and then burn to a CD. 

For my car I have been toying with the idea of those flash drives with their own dac to keep it simple.

Jim

[JerryM]

OK, I just tried to find Memorex black CD-r's that I use and had a rude awakening.  The future of the CD and my car's CD player sure doesn't look as rosey as it did the last time I bought CD-r's. I'm glad I still have 150 blank CD-r's for the very near future. 

Cheers,
Robin

   http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/473284/Memorex-CD-R-Recordable-Media-Spindle/

[satfrat]

  http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/473284/Memorex-CD-R-Recordable-Media-Spindle/

I use to get them 100-pack. But that is one hell of a price for 50-pack and my order's in. 

Cheers,
Robin

[JerryM]

 

[dB Cooper]

CD's will never go away as the industry is aware that many have had 30 years to accumulate collections.  The idea of a music server or hard drive crashing is an unpleasant thought. At worst, I will have to download and then burn to a CD. 

Jim

They said the same thing about vinyl, now the fringiest of fringe markets. Note that 30% of new releases now have no "physical" release at all.
Yes the idea of a music server or HD crashing is unappealing. Simple solution: BACK THAT THING UP. You have one "play" drive and one "archive" drive that only gets "spun up" when something new is added. When your HD goes, re-create it from the backup. When SSDs become cheaper, they will be an ideal solution as a music server will not need to go through the number of write cycles that your computer HD goes through, thus should last years and years.

I miss the artwork and all but not the physical media and the space they take up. I never saw a completely satisfactory  jewel box storage solution. Also, have had many discs take a trip to the floor and sustain damage due to faulty jewel boxes, sometimes on first opening.

Ironic that the CD and its "perfect sound forever" set the stage for the music industry's current woes. When the format was introduced, the equipment required to produce the media was so expensive and esoteric that nobody envisioned that not too far in the future, some nerd would be able to sit in his bedroom and crank off as many bit-perfect copies as he wanted to for eleven cents apiece, so no thought was given to copy protection. In the analog era, generation loss protected the content providers- music was copied and distributed but often people would then decide "I want a good copy" and buy the original. Less incentive to do that anymore.

[Minn Mark]

My 'archives' are mainly LP and CD with smattering of cassettes and 78's. The recent discussion prompts me to ask if there are current or coming options to store music in 'the cloud' which would completely obviate HD storage in one
s personal PC or Mac?

Mark

[plaf26]

It's up to you, I suppose , but 50MB of iCloud storage is $100/year .  I've got over 85GB of music, so I think I'll stick with the local hard disk storage for now .

[charmerci]

My 'archives' are mainly LP and CD with smattering of cassettes and 78's. The recent discussion prompts me to ask if there are current or coming options to store music in 'the cloud' which would completely obviate HD storage in one
s personal PC or Mac?

Mark

My friend complains that when he buys music from Amazon, they send him a download then they keep a copy for him in a cloud.

Sure looks like in time, the only way to get music is going to be - you pay for it and can only access it via internet so that the companies can control who listens to their music, i.e. that you've paid for a "copy."

[satfrat]

My friend complains that when he buys music from Amazon, they send him a download then they keep a copy for him in a cloud.

Sure looks like in time, the only way to get music is going to be - you pay for it and can only access it via internet so that the companies can control who listens to their music, i.e. that you've paid for a "copy."

I really don't know why he'd complain?  The download he gets from Amazon, he keeps forever. And if something unforseen did happen, he's got access to another copy. That's a win-win in my book. 

Cheers,
Robin

[JerryM]

Sure looks like in time, the only way to get music is going to be - you pay for it and can only access it via internet so that the companies can control who listens to their music, i.e. that you've paid for a "copy."

That could work out well, though. What if you could access entire libraries, genres, works, etc., for a resonable fee that's  based on the volume of access you choose? What if you could select anything between MP3 and 24/192 quality, based solely on what you want, and want to spend?

Grocery stores are experts at allowing a consumer to "up-sell" themselves. With a proper delivery method for the masses, one could make a mint with a musical cloud.

Have fun,

Jerry

[dB Cooper]

It's up to you, I suppose , but 50MB of iCloud storage is $100/year .  I've got over 85GB of music, so I think I'll stick with the local hard disk storage for now .

That is GB not MB.
However, pulling 85 GB of data through even a fast broadband connection in the event of an HD fail would be a very tedious process  so I prefer the local backup option. 85GB wouldn't even fill a $59 external so that is still more cost effective IMHO (unless your house burns down or gets hit by a meteor or something)

[rajacat]

Why isn't the consumer reaping some monetary benefit from a cheaper distribution system . It seems to me that recordings have been getting more expensive despite the fact that a physical copy is no longer required. HD downloads are especially expensive. I suspect that the more they charge, the more prevalent unauthorized coping will become. Now if authorized copies were 5 to 8 dollars or so, the customer would be more likely to buy instead of copy. Prices have been trending down in most tech items but music that is distributed via this technology continues to go up in price.

 I guess the recording companies have run the numbers and figure that they can make more $$ by keeping the prices high and just accept the fact that you really can't stop pirating. 

[satfrat]

That is GB not MB.
However, pulling 85 GB of data through even a fast broadband connection in the event of an HD fail would be a very tedious process  so I prefer the local backup option. 85GB wouldn't even fill a $59 external so that is still more cost effective IMHO (unless your house burns down or gets hit by a meteor or something)

That's why your back up'd hard drives belong in a safety deposit box.

[kevin360]

CD's will never go away as the industry is aware that many have had 30 years to accumulate collections.  The idea of a music server or hard drive crashing is an unpleasant thought. At worst, I will have to download and then burn to a CD. 

For my car I have been toying with the idea of those flash drives with their own dac to keep it simple.

Jim

Jim, don't let that fear hold you back. Just remember that it's not a matter of if, but when – disk drives will fail. Redundancy is critical. After a year of ripping, I'm approaching the 2,000 CD mark, which is  about a terabyte (as .wav files). Believe me; I don't want to go through that again. I rip to a disk in my PC, then transfer the data to a NAS (with mirrored drives) and both of my USB drives (1TB is only $100, and USB 3.0 is damn fast). One USB drive is attached to my BDP-1 and the other is at the office. It would take a cataclysmic event for me to lose all of that data, in which case, that would be the least of my worries.

I've also purchased a few albums from HDTracks. That, most likely, is the future. If physical media doesn't disappear completely, it will certainly become marginalized (and unfavorably priced). Once you get a proper music server going, you'll understand why. I don't bother with CDs in the cars either – either use an iPod or a USB thumbdrive (most modern head units support either/both).

I'm with Quiet Earth. I don't understand why there has to be a conflict between vinyl and digital. Neither is perfect, but I enjoy both. CD players have come a long way since I purchased the first two, but I still fell instantly in love with the technology. So much so, that I bought two of the things. I actually ordered the unit pictured below before the Philips, but it took over a month to get it. A friend of mine who owned an audio shop in Munich rang me to tell me that he had a few CD100s in stock, so that was actually the second one I purchased, but it was the first one I got. I was an overpaid government contractor at the time.




I replaced the CDP101 with a CDP501 about a year later. I wish I had kept it too. It would be neat to still have the first two models made. I'm amazed that the Philips player still works (but I really didn't use it long).

[Quiet Earth]

That's pretty cool.