JRiver and using the internet

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charmerci

JRiver and using the internet
« on: 12 Sep 2012, 04:38 am »
I have found that when using JRiver and using Firefox, things slow down and sometimes freeze. Using Chrome is much better.

JohnR

Re: JRiver and using the internet
« Reply #1 on: 12 Sep 2012, 09:11 am »
I'm not sure how those could be related. One thing that could always be tried is disabling Flash, it seems to have a habit of chewing up resources.

toddbagwell

Re: JRiver and using the internet
« Reply #2 on: 12 Sep 2012, 11:39 am »
I agree with john, it sounds like a resource issue, possibly RAM.

How much memory do you have?

What settings are you using in JRiver? specifically any memory playback?

Are you using any VST plugins for room correction?

How many tabs do you have open in Firefox when you notice the slow-down?


later,
todd


charmerci

Re: JRiver and using the internet
« Reply #3 on: 13 Sep 2012, 12:57 am »
I'm not sure how those could be related. One thing that could always be tried is disabling Flash, it seems to have a habit of chewing up resources.


It's possible. How do I do that?

charmerci

Re: JRiver and using the internet
« Reply #4 on: 13 Sep 2012, 01:04 am »
I agree with john, it sounds like a resource issue, possibly RAM.

How much memory do you have?

What settings are you using in JRiver? specifically any memory playback?

Are you using any VST plugins for room correction?

How many tabs do you have open in Firefox when you notice the slow-down?


I don't know - maybe 2GB.

I don't know. Do you mean the WASABI - Event Style?

VST plugins? I don't know that that is - so I guess not.

I normally have 4 tabs open, so I guess that - but I almost never use less.

JohnR


toddbagwell

Re: JRiver and using the internet
« Reply #6 on: 13 Sep 2012, 12:39 pm »
try keeping Windows Task Manager open.

the performance tab has some memory information, and if you notice things misbehaving when all of the memory on the machine is utilized, it could be the issue. depending on the version of Windows you have and the amount of visual enhancements, 2GB of RAM might not be quite enough.

try disabling flash first, per John's link.



JRiver has a memory playback feature, it will pull songs into RAM prior to playback. it doesn't sound as if you are using it.

VST is similar to an equalizer that can run along with a playback program, such as jriver or foobar.

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Re: JRiver and using the internet
« Reply #7 on: 13 Sep 2012, 11:31 pm »
http://www.mytechguide.org/8173/disable-flash-completely-google-chrome/

I just tried this in Chrome... WOW!! it's just doubled my browsing speed!! You can still enable Flash as needed with just a click. Thanks John!.........

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Re: JRiver and using the internet
« Reply #8 on: 14 Sep 2012, 12:16 am »
try keeping Windows Task Manager open.

the performance tab has some memory information, and if you notice things misbehaving when all of the memory on the machine is utilized, it could be the issue. depending on the version of Windows you have and the amount of visual enhancements, 2GB of RAM might not be quite enough.

try disabling flash first, per John's link.



JRiver has a memory playback feature, it will pull songs into RAM prior to playback. it doesn't sound as if you are using it.

VST is similar to an equalizer that can run along with a playback program, such as jriver or foobar.

Could you explain how to find out if you're using memory playback and the location of it's activation? I've used JRiver since MC12 and have never noticed this feature in Tools/Options. I have zero issues with my Play Doctor to my library so I'm just asking out of curiosity. Thanks.

Cheers,
Robin

charmerci

Re: JRiver and using the internet
« Reply #9 on: 14 Sep 2012, 05:11 am »
Thanks for the responses.  :thumb:  My friend is in town and I haven't the time to do anything yet. I'll get back to you.

toddbagwell

Re: JRiver and using the internet
« Reply #10 on: 14 Sep 2012, 01:30 pm »
Could you explain how to find out if you're using memory playback and the location of it's activation? I've used JRiver since MC12 and have never noticed this feature in Tools/Options. I have zero issues with my Play Doctor to my library so I'm just asking out of curiosity. Thanks.

Cheers,
Robin

We've reached the end of my understanding of jRiver, as I use itunes with Jplay for the playback, but Vincent Kars' website the well tempered computer has some nice descriptions with screen shots at
http://www.thewelltemperedcomputer.com/SW/Players/MC14/MC14_audio.htm#MC14_memory



and from Computer Audiophile's excellent review of the MC17 package:

JRiver Media Center 17 also offers several playback adjustments and tweaks in Tools > Options > Audio. Under Settings is the option titled DSP & output formatlink. Depending on one's DAC it may be necessary to manually set the bit depth to 24 bit in this area. I try to leave this setting at Source Bitdepth unless required by the hardware to change it to 24 bit.
Note: The DSP settings for Sample Rate allow users to up or downsample their music using JRiver's audio engine. This will not result in bit perfect output but may be a nice option if a DAC does not support a specific sample rate. For example, I've used DACs that cannot downsample 24/176.4 music and refuse to output any audio when this rate is played. This DSP setting allows the mapping of a sample rate like 176.4 to something a DAC can use such as 88.2 or even 96 kHz. Again, not bit perfect but handy.
Prebuffering places the specified number of seconds of music into JRMC's memory buffer before playback. The option to play files from memory instead of disk copies the entire file to memory before playback. When used in combination the entire file is copied then the pre buffer is filled before playback. There is much controversy about the effect, if any, memory playback has on audio quality. I highly recommend each user try the different settings and come to his own conclusion. After all it's free to try.



full review at this link:
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/436-jriver-media-center-17-detail/


hope this helps, as I don't have any personal experience with JRiver!

later,
todd

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Re: JRiver and using the internet
« Reply #11 on: 14 Sep 2012, 05:18 pm »
Actually Todd, that was a very good explanation, thanks to taking the time.  :thumb: I had never heard of this audiophile tweek and because I'm using a secondary HD within my HTPC and not an external NAS, I'm going to be trying this one out. Any audio quality improvement is worth exploring, once you know where to look.  8)

Because the MC14's Playback option is now gone as your 2nd graph of MC17 clearly shows,,, this is probably why I couldn't find it.  :oops:

The next JRiver Media Center upgrade is coming very soon, MC-18, just a FWIW.  :thumb:

Cheers,
Robin

charmerci

Re: JRiver and using the internet
« Reply #12 on: 15 Sep 2012, 02:11 am »
http://www.mytechguide.org/8173/disable-flash-completely-google-chrome/

Well, it that interesting?

This actually slows both Jriver and the internet down!!!

(I have Windows 7.)

charmerci

Re: JRiver and using the internet
« Reply #13 on: 15 Sep 2012, 09:19 pm »
http://www.mytechguide.org/8173/disable-flash-completely-google-chrome/

Well, I tried it again today and now it's seems to be working faster in Firefox.  :scratch: (No difference that I can tell in Chrome.)