Audiophiles' Lack of Respect Hurting Audio Industry

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« Reply #40 on: 15 Mar 2012, 04:07 am »
'DaveNote' makes good points. 
I don't consider myself an audiophile, but I have gear better than many people.  I bought most of it used.  That takes time, but you end up with a system that fits you at a bargain price.  Good gear is not just for the wealthy.  Great vintage gear can be found on ebay and Audigon.

I grew up in the day of AM radio and records when no one had a decent turntable to play them on.  It was kinda like now with the ipod users.
Now it is fun for me to play the old tunes I enjoyed then on used equipment I could not afford then.

I know a lot of audiophiles, and some are more interested in the gear than the music, but not all.
                               

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« Reply #41 on: 15 Mar 2012, 12:46 pm »
Could it be simply be that many individuals today are now regarding music as a source of background noise?

I was on the subway yesterday and I noticed a young couple sharing ear buds while listening to an iPod. They were ingauged in conversation and I had the impression that the music was mostly there as a background filler. Another individual seated across from them was also listening to an iPod but playing a small handheld game. When I think about it, this seems to be the "norm" and I have only witnessed a very small handful of people enjoying their music while out and about.

Devices such as an iPod also enables individuals to isolate themselves from any social interaction while out in public - I include myself in this statement but also in my situation, I always enjoy my music whether listening to my iPod, my very tired Corolla stereo or my gear downstairs.

If individuals today have delegated music to "the flavor of the day status," it does not make a great deal of sense for them to invest in higher end equipment when an iPod or iPad makes them happy when it comes to music.

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« Reply #42 on: 15 Mar 2012, 12:53 pm »
...it does not make a great deal of sense for them to invest in higher end equipment when an iPod or iPad makes them happy when it comes to music.

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Right on.  My theory is that because everyone has different brain chemistry, that music simply connects more with some people.  This is why women are almost never audiophiles.  They truly do not get the same visceral thrill from music that most men get.  The only problem with this theory is it doesn't explain the people who are music freaks but don't care about sound quality.

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« Reply #43 on: 15 Mar 2012, 01:19 pm »
That article gives too much credit to those in the industry. This hobby has some snobbery to it because of the high prices a lot of gear sells for. Manufacturers make audio jewelry instead of the best sounding piece of gear they can create. The music industry wants popularity and money like any business but the quality of the product suffers with that approach because consumers use music differently. Most don't sit in one spot and listen on a nice sounding system. Portable music doesn't have to sound good because the playback systems don't sound good.

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« Reply #44 on: 15 Mar 2012, 01:24 pm »
Right on.  My theory is that because everyone has different brain chemistry, that music simply connects more with some people.  This is why women are almost never audiophiles. They truly do not get the same visceral thrill from music that most men get.  The only problem with this theory is it doesn't explain the people who are music freaks but don't care about sound quality.

Evidently,you've never seen my wife and her friends, all late middle aged, at a Def Leppard concert. Not a pretty sight. :o

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« Reply #45 on: 15 Mar 2012, 07:51 pm »
Evidently,you've never seen my wife and her friends, all late middle aged, at a Def Leppard concert. Not a pretty sight. :o

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« Reply #46 on: 15 Mar 2012, 08:27 pm »
This is an interesting thread.  I think people are stimulated differently by music.  As an example I look at the difference between my brother-in-law and me.  I love music but get far more enjoyment from well recorded / well reproduced stimulus.  It lights up those brain centers that give me pleasure.  On the other hand, my brother-in-law owns and enjoys probably 10 time more albums than I do but is indifferent to recording or playback quality.  He can hear the difference but he is lit up by good music regardless of its reproduction quality.


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« Reply #47 on: 15 Mar 2012, 08:35 pm »
i think a lot of the people who are just content with I-pods may or may not be interested in HI FI..depends.. 

A friend of mine introduced me to a well tuned and equipped system and it was an eye opener...If that didnt happen, I would have been lumped in the group that is content with I-pods....

Some may, some may not care, but how do the kids get introduced to the good sounds of a good system...its not like they have audition rooms open to the public all over the place..marketing will not do it.

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« Reply #48 on: 16 Mar 2012, 12:47 am »
Lazy article, not even worth discussing. And I am optimistic about sound quality improving sooner than later in commercial music because things tend to go in cycles and money rules everything; as digital audio gets standardized the hi-res stuff will start to take off because you can charge more for it. It will be tiered and near-master quality will be available. So believe me, it's coming, once the digital delivery is standardized and everyone is assured of their cut.

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« Reply #49 on: 16 Mar 2012, 03:41 am »
I don't think non-audiophiles enjoy music less than audiophiles.  Everyone has an emotional connection to music, and everyone loves music.  We all just love it in different ways.  There are people out there who don't seem like they're into music, but they probably have a very small library (if you will) of music that they really enjoy.

Go to a party and watch people dance.  Can't really dance without feeling the music.  Go to a concert.

Does my refusal to dance at parties diminish my love for music?  Do I really love music more than just about anyone at a Metallica concert in MSG just because I own a better stereo than probably everyone there minus maybe half a dozen people?  Do the guys in the mosh pit love music more than the people in thd seats?  The answer is no.  Part of what makes music so great is that everyone can enjoy it on their own terms - the type, what the lyrics mean, the emotions it conjures up, and what they listen to it through.

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« Reply #50 on: 16 Mar 2012, 11:10 am »
I don't think non-audiophiles enjoy music less than audiophiles.  Everyone has an emotional connection to music, and everyone loves music.  We all just love it in different ways.  There are people out there who don't seem like they're into music, but they probably have a very small library (if you will) of music that they really enjoy.

Go to a party and watch people dance.  Can't really dance without feeling the music.  Go to a concert.

Does my refusal to dance at parties diminish my love for music?  Do I really love music more than just about anyone at a Metallica concert in MSG just because I own a better stereo than probably everyone there minus maybe half a dozen people?  Do the guys in the mosh pit love music more than the people in thd seats?  The answer is no.  Part of what makes music so great is that everyone can enjoy it on their own terms - the type, what the lyrics mean, the emotions it conjures up, and what they listen to it through.

I agree. Each to his own.  :thumb:

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« Reply #51 on: 16 Mar 2012, 11:16 am »
  Well said... :thumb:

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« Reply #52 on: 16 Mar 2012, 12:56 pm »
it is always a treat when you post Stu   :thumb:

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« Reply #53 on: 16 Mar 2012, 01:32 pm »
The plot thickens, perhaps the whole audio/music industry is just simply in complete disarray.

http://inmusic.ca/news_and_features/news/billy_corgan_says_musicians_these_days_are_all_poseurs/a8ae3476

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« Reply #54 on: 17 Mar 2012, 05:51 am »
The plot thickens, perhaps the whole audio/music industry is just simply in complete disarray.

http://inmusic.ca/news_and_features/news/billy_corgan_says_musicians_these_days_are_all_poseurs/a8ae3476

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From the article:
'Don't call it rock and roll,' he said. 'I was part of a generation that changed the world – and it was taken over by poseurs.'

The Smashing Pumpkins changed the world? I must have been getting a coffee or something - how did it all turn out?
Wow...just...wow.

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Rclark

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« Reply #55 on: 17 Mar 2012, 06:18 am »
 He's just mad that nobody cares about him anymore. Whiny little girl man.

 I love the album GISH, but other than that, I find it harder and harder and harder to listen to Billy Corgan sing, voice and lyrics just grind on me.

 He would have made someone a badass lead guitarist.
 
 Yeah, I never listen anymore. And I own all their albums.

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« Reply #56 on: 17 Mar 2012, 06:26 am »
And I am optimistic about sound quality improving sooner than later in commercial music because things tend to go in cycles and money rules everything; as digital audio gets standardized the hi-res stuff will start to take off because you can charge more for it. It will be tiered and near-master quality will be available. So believe me, it's coming, once the digital delivery is standardized and everyone is assured of their cut.

I hope you're right. What worries me is that with the cd format dead and buried, the powers that be will decide that the "audiophile market" is too small to take seriously and basically a PITA to serve. Then the focus will shift almost exclusively to low-quality download formats which are cheap and easy to deliver to a marketplace which has already had their expectations lowered to a point where that would be completely acceptable. At that point, other than a handful of boutique vendors offering small selections of higher-rez at inflated prices, the audiophile can go pound sand. We will be well and truly screwed.

D.D. 

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« Reply #57 on: 17 Mar 2012, 01:32 pm »
The whole article is based on A person's opinion without any facts at all.  That's what makes the internet so dangerous, anyone can write anything, no facts, just an opinion in their attempt to be "someone".   

My take on audio or music.  People like music "their way" using whatever device within their means to do so.  And the majority of the people in the world who are walking around on the street or driving in their cars or even setting at home could careless what bit rate was used it's how the music sounds to their ears.  It has nothing to do with an Audiophile or even the engineer or the musician.  It all comes down to the consumer, that's it...as someone said in the age of Marketing and Sales, remember the Consumer is Always Right.  So the market followed the consumers wishes, downloads galore for those iPods, iphones etc..   

This Archer guys writes about engineers and musicians, well in today's market the goal of any musician is to make money either by selling their music or through selling tickets at concerts and the audio engineers job is helping the musician get there, that's it your basic business model is to make money. So don't blame a few audiophiles for liking their music their way using their equipment, blame the consumer and the age of the internet, iPods, earbuds and music downloads.

And the last time I took a look, people are not herds of cows being led to an audio listening stations ( at least not yet) to get their dose of the "next best song".   They still have a choice and Archer missed that as well.

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« Reply #58 on: 17 Mar 2012, 02:59 pm »
I hope you're right. What worries me is that with the cd format dead and buried, the powers that be will decide that the "audiophile market" is too small to take seriously and basically a PITA to serve. Then the focus will shift almost exclusively to low-quality download formats which are cheap and easy to deliver to a marketplace which has already had their expectations lowered to a point where that would be completely acceptable. At that point, other than a handful of boutique vendors offering small selections of higher-rez at inflated prices, the audiophile can go pound sand. We will be well and truly screwed.

D.D.

That's possible, I admit. But the direction, to me, is not all negative. If I have to choose between $35+ high-rez albums or 18 million tracks at 320 kbps for $10 a month, I know which one I'm more excited about.

Stu Pitt

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« Reply #59 on: 17 Mar 2012, 03:14 pm »
From the article:
'Don't call it rock and roll,' he said. 'I was part of a generation that changed the world – and it was taken over by poseurs.'

The Smashing Pumpkins changed the world? I must have been getting a coffee or something - how did it all turn out?
Wow...just...wow.

D.D.

He didn't say the Smashing Pumpkins changed the world, did he?  He said 'his generation' did.  Not the same thing.  Probably referring to the whole alternative and grunge movement that did change the face of music, and more specifically rock music.   Not that that movement was the first to do so by any means, but it may have been the most recent.

Stop drinking so much coffee, you apparently did miss something.

I hope you're right. What worries me is that with the cd format dead and buried, the powers that be will decide that the "audiophile market" is too small to take seriously and basically a PITA to serve.

D.D. 

Dead and buried?   This implies the last CD pressing plant closed a while ago.  Seeing as how CDs are being pressed everyday by quite a few plants, I beg to differ.  The CD isn't as prosperous as it used to be, but what is?   8-Track is dead and buried.  Laser Disc is dead and buried.  VHS is dead and buried.  If you think plants stopped pressing CDs, go to any store that sells music on Tuesday.

So who knows?  Apparently not you.  "...the CD format dead and buried..." sounds pretty absolute to me.  Saying something inflammatory based on who knows what opinion is very weak.  On top of that, you didn't even state IMO or anything close.