[kyrill]

HI

For those who are new to the product,  like I was.

I just received the ordered grungebuster CD Mat.

Just like retrofitting a stable clock in yr cd player under 3000K, I mean 3K  is mandatory if jou like to enjoy listening to your cd's, so is this grungebuster CD Mat a must as well. For the price you should not avoid this route.

Believe me, the differences are not subtle. You owe it to yr AKSA or TLP or GKx. The better yr system is, the bigger the effect will be.

First you notice ...less high tones and much more peace. The open space between the actors or instruments expands  because the active  "identities" of sound has shrinked a little. They became smaller because bodies of sound are more focused and much less smeared out which made them bigger. Less high tones, it seems in first instance until you suddenly realise ( in different tests with and without the mat) that you loose a distorted resonance.  The highs are more clear clean and 3 dimensional. It is easier to discern different parts of sound while first they were one.  Single sounds of a plucked acoustic guitar for instance, become more rounded,. So not only a deeper soundstage (macro 3D), but the sound itself becomes more 3D.3D in parts of inches. (micro 3D)

Wonderful, wonderful

I cannot listen without it anymore
Happy listening.

[andyr]

Kyrill,

Herbie also sells a cute tube damping ring - good for a GK-1, I would've thought.  Have U tried it, by any chance?

Regards,

Andy

[Lost81]

HI
Just like retrofitting a stable clock in yr cd player under 3000K is mandatory if jou like to enjoy listening to your cd's...

Have you done this?
I have thought about doing this to my CAL Delta Transport, but Wayne of Bolder Cable had thought it sufficient to replace the capacitors in the unit with better variants, and replacing the diodes with HEXFreds, and adding damping mats, for his personal unit. I am probably replacing all the caps in the Delta with Elna Cerafines, BlackGates being a little too rich for my blood.

Another thing, the crystal for the clock in the CAL Delta seems to be on the mobile, sliding, sub-chassis. That would make an independent clock retrofit a daunting endeavor...

-Lost81

[EchiDna]

Have you done this?....*snip*


-Lost81

well heck it is mandatory that you do it if you enjoy listening to cd's, in your sub $3 million cd player!
so I assume Kyrill has  

[Lost81]

Argh!

Not now.
I am blowing my audio budget for the year on a dry-suit for the cold NoCal waters around here.

And after that, for 2005, I might blow it all on a pair of Jet Boots (Mil-Spec version):

http://www.jetboots.com/military.htm

If you think there are too many toys to collect in audiophilia, wait until you get into technical diving!  

When marine housings for MP3 players drop below $300, I just might get one for those long decompression schedules though...
(Does that qualify as an audio purchase?)

 
-Lost81

[Seano]

What a coooooooool toy. I want some of that.....



How about overclocking one of those and doing a Flipper act?  Very cool.

[EchiDna]

Argh!

Not now.
I am blowing my audio budget for the year on a dry-suit for the cold NoCal waters around here.

And after that, for 2005, I might blow it all on a pair of Jet Boots (Mil-Spec version):

http://www.jetboots.com/military.htm

If you think there are too many toys to collect in audiophilia, wait until you get into technical diving!  

When marine housings for MP3 players drop below $300, I just might get one for those long decompression schedules though...
(Does that qualify as an audio purchase?)

 
-Lost81

hehe... actually I'm an ex commercial diver I got ya covered on the gear head thing!
tech diving aint that technical till you try sat diving... fancy 2-3 weeks of deco?? in a tiny diving bell with a few other guys?? *yeeaaachhhh*

[Snapper]

What's involved in sat diving?  I'm guessing you go pretty deep…

[kyrill]

As soon as I will order 2 GK1xx I will certainly order the tube dampers. I have heard tube dampers before (a different brand , years ago) and they made a similar difference. Especially in pre pre and preamps. But also in power tubes, only less.

And of course I reclocked my Copland 288 cd player, next to the better caps in the power supplies  

your cal delta transport already a "senior"is well known for its low jitter.
So you can wait for the DAKSA who will not be bordered by a litle less jitter than the CAL would be capable of with the best now a days clock..
The CAl may have 50 ps jitter (very low already) but can be brought to less than 30 or even 10.

 The sliding mechanical part is not an issue. The new clock will sit in a different place and will contact the board with a high precision shielded piece of silver wire
remember if you decide to change the clocks, TAKE care the clock has its own very very stable little powersupply.

[Lost81]

How about overclocking one of those and doing a Flipper act?  Very cool.

Our lungs are not collapsable. Hence, if you try a Flipper act from depth, you will be bent like a pretzel. Either that or you will suffer a lung over-expansion injury and perish from a medestinal emphysema, which cumulates into a heart attack on the surface. (Boyle's Law and all that jazz).

Not fun  

-Lost81

[Lost81]

hehe... actually I'm an ex commercial diver I got ya covered on the gear head thing!
tech diving aint that technical till you try sat diving... fancy 2-3 weeks of deco?? in a tiny diving bell with a few other guys?? *yeeaaachhhh*

OMG! A fellow diver and a saturation diver at that!

*I'm not worthy!*
*I'm not worthy!*
*I'm not worthy!*

Then, EchiDna, you will understand my final goal in technical diving:
i.e. a fully-redundant Electronic Closed-Circuit Mixed Gas Rebreather.
I'm still a long way from it. I intend to master Mixed-Gas Open-Circuit until I am comfortable in hypoxic trimix, and then switch over to Closed-Circuit.

Fun! Fun! Fun!

BTW, some tech divers managed to get into a previously unreached section of the HMS Repulse recently. (No, they did not desecrate anything. They are mindful that it is a war grave and were respectful). The pictures and the videos are all right. The prose is terrible though.

http://www.5thd-x.com/classes/roadshow/schinasea/tripreport.htm

-Lost81
---
Who needs drugs when you can go to 61m on compressed air?

[Lost81]

your cal delta transport already a "senior"is well known for its low jitter.
So you can wait for the DAKSA who will not be bordered by a litle less jitter than the CAL would be capable of with the best now a days clock..
The CAl may have 50 ps jitter (very low already) but can be brought to less than 30 or even 10.

That's nice to hear! (Pardon the awful pun! )
Awesome!  

The sliding mechanical part is not an issue. The new clock will sit in a different place and will contact the board with a high precision shielded piece of silver wire
remember when you decide to change the clocks, TAKE care the clock has its own very very stable little powersupply

Will an outboard power supply do?  
If you have not noticed it by now, I am a fan of outboard power supplies.
My TLP/Nirvana has an outboard powersupply.
So does my transplanted sMart DIO.
When I do get to the GK-1, I plan to construct an outboard PS as well.

-Lost81

[EchiDna]

What's involved in sat diving?  I'm guessing you go pretty deep…

basically you saturate your body in a gas, sort of like long term tech diving.... each dive will typically last 3-5 weeks duration (surface to surface) doing oil pipeline and undersea cable works. Depths are typically in the 150-350 foot region.

here is some info:
http://www.divingheritage.com/saturationkern.htm
http://science.howstuffworks.com/question640.htm

[andyr]

Who needs drugs when you can go to 61m on compressed air? ...

Hi, Lost81,

Indeed, there's nothing like that metallic taste, is there - using Nitrox or Heliox takes some of it away, I reckon, although of course you can stay longer/go deeper!

I want to do a Nitrox course so I can visit the wrecks at Bikini Atoll.  Also, one of these days go back to Truk to dive the "San Franscisco Maru" - considered too deep to take tourists in 1980!

Regards,

Andy

PS:  It's not "cricket" to steal from your audio budget to buy diving gear ... you steal from your children's inheritances instead!!

[kyrill]

Don't hijack this thread too much, will you?

Finding fellow divers between already a "well known" group is an unexpected surprise and shared entousiasm can take many posts. I don't think Hugh will mind if you open within this AKSA  forum a special thread on highend diving with a topic subject relevant to the content.

[Occam]

hehe... actually I'm an ex commercial diver I got ya covered on the gear head thing!
tech diving aint that technical till you try sat diving... fancy 2-3 weeks of deco?? in a tiny diving bell with a few other guys?? *yeeaaachhhh*

Dang! What is it about Hugh's stuff that attracts divers?. I spent a couple of years, 72'-75.' doing underwater construction for Miami Marine Research. . Mostly extended 'hookah', prior to the Navy updating their dive charts....  Amazingly, my knees still function.

Sat divers (and hardsuits) are a different breed. Real Navy divers regard Seals as posturing pussies....

After spending an hour doing unsuccessful CPR, I decided to return to college.  I did do some diving in the Carribean about 10 yrs ago. PADI certs or no, the pleasure diving industry is foolhardy taking (IMO) unprepared folks below 200' and pushing night wreck dives. Now that stuff is scary..... Iff'n you need those sorts of thrills, drugs are a far safer alternative.

[Seano]

Our lungs are not collapsable. Hence, if you try a Flipper act from depth, you will be bent like a pretzel. Either that or you will suffer a lung over-expansion injury and perish from a medestinal emphysema, which cumulates into a heart attack on the surface. (Boyle's Law and all that jazz).

Not fun  

I'm very aware of that. Have a bit of diving experience meself so I'm aware of the possible problems.

Have watched someone do a Polaris missle interpretation from 10m down when the BC fill valve jammed open. Interesting to say the least. Old mate on the boat reckoned the victim made it all the way out of the water (fins and all) on hitting the surface. Fortunately no injury as victim had enough sense to not hold his breath.  Curiously though it never occured to him to hit the BC dump valve......

I was mostly joking and really thinking near or on surface type stuff (pretending you're a ski boat etc.).  What is the point of having such an unlikely toy without letting your mind run amok.

[EchiDna]

OMG! A fellow diver and a saturation diver at that!

*I'm not worthy!*
*I'm not worthy!*
*I'm not worthy!*

Then, EchiDna, you will understand my final goal in technical diving:
i.e. a fully-redundant Electronic Closed-Circuit Mixed Gas Rebreather.
I'm still a long way from it. I intend to master Mixed-Gas Open-Circuit until I am comfortable in hypoxic trimix, and then switch over to Closed-Circuit.

Fun! Fun! Fun!

BTW, some tech divers managed to get into a previously unreached section of the HMS Repulse recently...

This has to be a new record for most OT thread

Sat diving is something I only did a few times, basically I couldn't handle the close quarters for so long, I'm not claustraphobic, but a month in a small, round bathroom with 3 other guys is too long, even for the crazy money they pay you!
Funny thing is since starting another job nearly 10 years back, I've done maybe 10 recreational dives, none to more than about 25 metres as I only have an "official" basic diving ticket!

Having done commercial diving, I find it hard to see the justification in spending thousands on so much gear you can barely function as a person, when all the comm diving is far simpler (but more expensive sure) with full communications all the time. If I was to do recreational diving for myself, I'd buy a simple hooka system, stick it on my boat and limit myself to 20 metres or so with a pony for safety. Diving alone is so much better than being encumbered with a buddy and shedloads of gear... try it someday, you will feel naked standing on the boat without 150 pounds of crap tied all over your body.... anyway, lots more opinionated crap could keep coming out of my mouth/hands here, so I'll stop now....

[yuri777]

...Believe me, the differences are not subtle. You owe it to yr AKSA or TLP or GKx. The better yr system is, the bigger the effect will be.

First you notice ...

Sorry to rain on your parade, but this is a croak of s**t
Has anyone done any double blind tests with and without this snake oil gizmo and reported they can tell the difference every time?
Same goes for other useless artifacts such as tube dampeners, quantum physics gizmos and other exotic scams.

Visit Rod Elliot's page for more on this:
http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm

Your results are based on casual non-scientific observations, probably biased by the fact that you spent a lot of money for something useless that has no effect on the sound.

[kyrill]

Hi yuri666

Welcome to the Aspen forum, a little late as this yr 2nd posting already

I have read the link you gave and read it with interest. Also in the Dutch language there are people warning us for the marketing trucs of clever bussiness people selling snake oil.  But I trust my ears over scientific data and to be honest over the most beautiful sales pitch too. But there are still alot of data that effects sounds that science still does not know (yet) about.
 Can you remember the " marketing hype "when Philips was trying to push the cd concept while people were playing vinyl records?  Measurements and theory were proofing that the cd was far superior over the analogue LP. But, nobody knew why so many could hear that the LP was superior soundiing while it shouldn't There were even some who literally gets angry when you dare to say that your "obsolete" vinyl analogue setup sounded better than cd's even until today.
In those days no engineer knew about "jitter" and it is only nowadays mainstream engineers start to understand the many forms of jitter and their mutual interaction.  The cd mat does sound better, if you like it or not and no snake oil because the theory is about dampening resonances, a reasonable easy to understand theory.

By the way your link does not say anything or suggests even something about resonance damping theories or their application. But many modern speaker units and enclosures are full of resonance damping applications. Do you know why ?