Planet 10's new FF125wk dFonken125T 0v8

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jparkhur

Planet 10's new FF125wk dFonken125T 0v8
« on: 19 Jan 2012, 01:40 pm »
Just wanted to provide everyone with some starting eye candy.  Dave over at Planet 10 helped me with these as they are part of his pay plans, and after building them, I know why - lots of time and effort on his part to make such easy DIY project.  I will be sending him my thoughts in the next day to post here, all good by the way.  I will also post building processes for everyone to look at.  I know Dave is hard at work on the FF125WK drivers and should be done with them soon.  I appreciate all your suggestions Dave and others.  This was fun build in less than 4 hours.  I am staining as we speak, i'll post those later this week.








JohnR

Re: Planet 10's new FF125wk dFonken125T 0v8
« Reply #1 on: 19 Jan 2012, 01:48 pm »
This was fun build in less than 4 hours.

 :o :o :o It would take me four days!

 :thumb:

jparkhur

Re: Planet 10's new FF125wk dFonken125T 0v8
« Reply #2 on: 19 Jan 2012, 01:52 pm »
What a great little project for the DIYer in you.  I was looking for a new project to go along with my super cool Frugal Horns and asked David over at Planet 10 if he was ready with the Fostex 125 drivers yet.  They are sitting on his bench almost ready to go, but the cabinet plans were done.  I asked if I could have a shot at it, as the snow was minimal and the garage was not too cold yet.

Plans:  Got the pay plans the next day and set out on the trapezoid models, there are three build choices included in the plans for those who want a more square model to ease build time/effort.  The plans had everything I needed without question.  The included cut sheet came in handy too, as I used a 5x5 sheet of 3/4 Baltic Birch to make my speakers.  The drawings even include space for the blade cut in its calculations and I only had to use 2/3 of the sheet.  I know for sure this will come in handy when I chose to use bamboo as my next wood choice as it is pricey and a mistake could cost you 100 plus dollars.  Included in the plans are all the angled cuts, suggestions for easier ways to cut the champers and other ideas to make it all inclusive.

The Saw:  My tools included a RIDGID table saw, router with laminate bit and 1/2 round over bit too.  I followed the directions of the cut sheet and decided to make the top and bottom pieces 1/16th to 1/8 inch overhand so not to make any mistakes.  I later went back and use a laminate cut bit to trim them flush with the side of the box.  I like this method because it gives you some play when assembling the box.  You can see from the above images that the overhang is minimal, but I think needed for minimizing my own mistakes.  After making all the cuts as needed I rounded over all the holes cut in the inside brace.  As this is not a specific hole cut, I placed them fairly close to the plan drawings, but David makes a note that only 40 percent removal of the material is necessary.  I rounded over both sides of the holes for airflow and made the driver cut also.  The notes in the plans make sure to state that the brace is primarily for the driver and not to put to much pressure on the cage.  I do not have my drivers in hand, and so I may have to trim out the cut or add a shim to it later.

Assembly:  All my cuts are done and the I began gluing the pieces together.  I made the back piece removable, and glued on the brace off center as described in the plans.  I will load the interior with the describe felt/batting before gluing it all together.  This may or may not be necessary for everyone depending on the size of your hands (or kids) but much easier to do it prior.  I plan on actually trying it both ways to see what happens.  In one of the last images you can see that I used four post clamps to keep them tight and together.  These will come in hand for anyone, you could use other models as well.  I saw one at the hardware store for 15 dollars that would work well.  You could get away with two or three if need be.

Slots:  The plans suggest that the vent pieces be a different wood than baltic, and I had some extra MDF around.  I used it, but after I glued it in place, I recognized I should of used a cooler hard wood to contrast/compliment the stain.  This is my fault and I should have been thinking more ahead on the final project.  It will look fine after I stain it, but could have been even better if I used walnut, oak, maple anything besides plan MDF.

Champers:  I took the easy and most efficient way out when cutting the champed sides.  I made the speaker in box form and then ran it down the table saw with the blade as high as I could get it.  I knocked it out in one pass, but this may not be the case for everyone depending on their saw.  I also did a mock up of a jig that would hold the box straight and I could run it down the band saw with no clearance issues at all.  NOTE: depending on the tightness of your blade, there may be play in it that causes a wave in the cut-be careful with this method as you may screw it up.

Staining:  I was very happy with the overall process of making this speaker.  The total time involved was about 4 hours, no breaks, no extra stuff going on, I had everything out and ready to go, no trips to the store, no phone calls etc.  The most difficult of the trapezoid for me was the angled cuts on the back, but the plans did make them much easier.  If you were doing the square box, this would not be an issue. The stain I chose is going to be a darker stain similar to my other builds at DIY and AC.  I did make a mix in the stain that added some red to it and I plan on making the vents a "milk stain red" or just pain the inside of the vents bright fire engine red.  We will see how this comes out.

Speakers:  I ordered a pair of 125's from Madsound this week and will install those when I get them.  I will wait for David to finish the enabled versions and pick up those when they become available too.  The extra 125s will go somewhere else then.  I am looking forward to testing them against my Frugals with the Fostex 126en driver.  I will need to pick up some stands and try different room placement.  When done they will be used with a Khozmo passive preamp, Decware 3 watt pentode amp, Virtue 1.2 and 2.2 with 130 ps, Apple TV2, Apple Airport Express and I have ordered a Musical Fidelity V Dac II that should be here soon. 

I appreciate all the time an effort David and the others involved at Planet 10 put in to these designs and drivers.  Thank You.


Jon Parkhurst - Wisconsin







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« Last Edit: 19 Jan 2012, 04:13 pm by jparkhur »

jparkhur

Re: Planet 10's new FF125wk dFonken125T 0v8
« Reply #3 on: 19 Jan 2012, 04:21 pm »
Added Notes above to modified post

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Re: Planet 10's new FF125wk dFonken125T 0v8
« Reply #4 on: 19 Jan 2012, 04:39 pm »
nice work Jon - 4 hours?


sts9fan

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« Reply #5 on: 19 Jan 2012, 04:40 pm »
I agree with John. That would take me a week.

jparkhur

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« Reply #6 on: 19 Jan 2012, 04:46 pm »
nice work Jon - 4 hours?
Really Really.. Insides are cut on top of each other and holes drilled at the same time, they are identical but mirror images when inserted in back.  The cut sheet I looked at for awhile to make sure all was good.  Tops and bottoms cut together all good. Spent most time on the back 10 degree cut and the 30 degree cut piece.  Staining is not included in the 4, and this is not typical of my work.. usually i take days messing around with it.. key to this.. no kids, no cold cold weather and lots of Shiner Bock afterwards.  I am looking forward to seeing how these sound against the frugals.  Fun still to come.. Anyone have and extra stands... or am i going to have to cut some steel pipe and make some.... ???  Snowing today and tomorrow.. no work please.....

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Re: Planet 10's new FF125wk dFonken125T 0v8
« Reply #7 on: 19 Jan 2012, 08:06 pm »
guess I'll have to pull up my socks on next fresh build

 

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Re: Planet 10's new FF125wk dFonken125T 0v8
« Reply #8 on: 20 Jan 2012, 12:28 pm »
More like 4 years for me.   :oops:

No rabbitted joints?  (I like create "real" joints and maximize the contact areas to be glued.)

Optical illusion?  One the pics appear to show the internal baffle offset from centerline.

jparkhur

Re: Planet 10's new FF125wk dFonken125T 0v8
« Reply #9 on: 20 Jan 2012, 01:30 pm »
The internal brace is suppose to be offset as per plans and I know there is some "reasoning" behind it, but i forget what it is???  Help someone.....

Glue is super strong and joints like that with a 5 inch minus driver, no issues with sound pressure.  Also, its 3/4 inch baltic.....

JP

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Re: Planet 10's new FF125wk dFonken125T 0v8
« Reply #10 on: 20 Jan 2012, 05:59 pm »
The internal brace is suppose to be offset as per plans and I know there is some "reasoning" behind it, but i forget what it is???

Pushing the brace off-centre improves its effectiveness. You end up with 2 dissimilar subpanels that have different resonant structure.

If the brace is perfectly centred, you are clamping the null point of the primary resonance 1st harmonic and can actually make things worse.



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jparkhur

Re: Planet 10's new FF125wk dFonken125T 0v8
« Reply #11 on: 20 Jan 2012, 06:01 pm »
"Ya"  what he said.....

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Re: Planet 10's new FF125wk dFonken125T 0v8
« Reply #12 on: 20 Jan 2012, 09:37 pm »
More like 4 years for me.   :oops:

No rabbitted joints?  (I like create "real" joints and maximize the contact areas to be glued.)

I'm almost with ya there - except these are trapezoidal / tapered enclosures with 3 layers of material in the side panels. I can attest from my own current build that rabbeting the rear and top/bottom panels on this particular design significantly extends the fabrication time.


and as Jon notes,  even with butt joints, there is a lot of glue surface area  and this is only a 4 1/'2" FullRange driver, not a 15" HT Sub


jparkhur

Re: Planet 10's new FF125wk dFonken125T 0v8
« Reply #13 on: 21 Jan 2012, 01:14 am »
Before stain.. Edges all good.




doorman

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« Reply #14 on: 21 Jan 2012, 02:49 am »
With "Fonken"/"Mar-Ken" style enclosures, butt joints are more than adequate. The additional side panels & spacers provide tremendous glueing area. Makes for a very solid, inert box.
Nice Work!
best
don

jeffh

Re: Planet 10's new FF125wk dFonken125T 0v8
« Reply #15 on: 21 Jan 2012, 03:12 am »
Jon, Looking Good as all your builds do   :thumb:

I like your method of trimming the top and bottom with the router bit.  I think I'll steal it.

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« Reply #16 on: 23 Jan 2012, 05:07 pm »
With "Fonken"/"Mar-Ken" style enclosures, butt joints are more than adequate. The additional side panels & spacers provide tremendous glueing area. Makes for a very solid, inert box.
Nice Work!
best
don



is there an echo in here?

doorman

Re: Planet 10's new FF125wk dFonken125T 0v8
« Reply #17 on: 23 Jan 2012, 05:41 pm »
Echo?
(I thought it was just my old ears ringing!!)
don

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« Reply #18 on: 23 Jan 2012, 10:39 pm »
Echo?
(I thought it was just my old ears ringing!!)
don

not mutually exclusive ...

sive...

sive

jparkhur

Re: Planet 10's new FF125wk dFonken125T 0v8
« Reply #19 on: 24 Jan 2012, 08:52 pm »
A couple coats of stain...  going to make them almost black.. but not....   vents are now going to be painted black also... more to come