Ever notice how many people ignore equipment ventillation...

jaxwired · « **on:** 3 Jan 2012, 12:26 pm »

...it's amazing this works: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?action=systems;area=browse;system=1371

Phil A · « **Reply #1 on:** 3 Jan 2012, 01:12 pm »

Yes - have noticed. When my friend worked at the high end shop for about 5 years I did basically every delivery/install with him. I was amazed many times about not only lack of ventillation but also lack of adequate though in how to leave enough space to wire components in the back of things built in that you couldn't move.

Laundrew · « **Reply #2 on:** 3 Jan 2012, 09:32 pm »

When I am enjoying a longer than average listening secession, I have a small oscillating fan that moves the air around on my equipment side of the room. My amplifiers are not in an enclosure and as I very seldom "drive" them, this works great in my circumstance.

Be well...

Wayner · « **Reply #3 on:** 3 Jan 2012, 10:14 pm »

I know that guy and I know his equipment and you are wrong on all accounts. Most if not all of his equipment is SS and the Van Alstine amp has it's heat dissipating fins on the back side of the amp.

Therefore, while the system is compact, it is not heat defying.

Wayner

Tone Depth · « **Reply #4 on:** 3 Jan 2012, 10:16 pm »

Our cabinet is also somewhat stuffed, but we just leave the solid panel doors open for ventilation when playing music. Has worked fine for the nearly 15 years using the present configuration, and also has a high WAF factor.

HsvHeelFan · « **Reply #5 on:** 3 Jan 2012, 10:26 pm »

My 4B-ST lives in the bottom of a cabinet. However, the doors are open when it's running and the 4B sits up on some posts so that 1/4 of the available space is below the amp and the 3/4 of the remaining space is above it. The Bryston sits in an area that is around 18 inches tall.

When I'm running the amp for an extended period of time, I check the heat sink areas, where the transistors are mounted, with an infrared thermal thermometer. The highest temps I've ever recorded on the heat sinks were 128 degrees F.

Typically, the top of the chassis is around 112 degrees F after it's been running for 3 or 4 hours.

The Bryston is getting a lot of work, at the moment, as I'm ripping all of my CD's to the music server that I built. Any tracks that J River complains took re-reads to capture are played in their entirety. So far, I've only had to re-rip 2 tracks. Both on CDs that my kids borrowed. (I'd hate to see what my 18 year old would have done to vinyl (seeing how hard he is on CDs).

HsvHeelFan

AVnerdguy · « **Reply #6 on:** 3 Jan 2012, 10:56 pm »

Hey! I'm THAT guy....what you don't see is the fans in the cabinet. Also, each piece of equipment has 1 to 2 inches on the top and on the sides in addition to the feet on the equipment. Look closely you'll also notice vented panels above the Adcom and at the top of each cabinet. There are 2 tubes in the AVA amp and pre but I put each piece of gear in a particular location to ensure that they received air flow. I used to have a larger rack with vented 1RU panels seperating each piece but it was a WAF thing so I went to lower racks.

I've been building broadcast stations and studios for over 30 years and I can assure you that all of the equipment I've installed in racks is ventilated properly! Also, I'm BICSI certified for hot aisle/cold aisle planning for data centers as well. One other note, that particular cabinet is near a cold air return which is actually pulling air by the bottom to assist.

rofo · « **Reply #7 on:** 3 Jan 2012, 11:57 pm »

Quote from: AVnerdguy on 3 Jan 2012, 10:56 pm

Hey! I'm THAT guy....I've been building broadcast stations and studios for over 30 years.

I thought I might enjoy this forum but my goodness there are so many that suffer from the "Dunning–Kruger effect" it is a true shame. To ridicule something like this without knowing the details

I to have build many racks tighter that this but there was AC direct cooling to them. Is there a way to unsubscribe? I can not seem to fine it.

Wayner · « **Reply #8 on:** 4 Jan 2012, 12:06 am »

rofo, hang in there. There are lots of info that the AC has to offer. Not all threads get off to this kind of start, so be patient.

Wayner

AVnerdguy · « **Reply #9 on:** 4 Jan 2012, 12:20 am »

Indeed, hang on! It's a great site with great people and good advice on the whole. I may have gotten a bit protective of my system there but that's not typical.

jaxwired · « **Reply #10 on:** 4 Jan 2012, 02:49 am »

Quote from: rofo on 3 Jan 2012, 11:57 pm

I thought I might enjoy this forum but my goodness there are so many that suffer from the "Dunning–Kruger effect" it is a true shame. To ridicule something like this without knowing the details I to have build many racks tighter that this but there was AC direct cooling to them. Is there a way to unsubscribe? I can not seem to fine it.

By all means, go away. Geez, what a baby.

jaxwired · « **Reply #11 on:** 4 Jan 2012, 02:50 am »

Quote from: AVnerdguy on 3 Jan 2012, 10:56 pm

Hey! I'm THAT guy....what you don't see is the fans in the cabinet. Also, each piece of equipment has 1 to 2 inches on the top and on the sides in addition to the feet on the equipment. Look closely you'll also notice vented panels above the Adcom and at the top of each cabinet. There are 2 tubes in the AVA amp and pre but I put each piece of gear in a particular location to ensure that they received air flow. I used to have a larger rack with vented 1RU panels seperating each piece but it was a WAF thing so I went to lower racks.

I've been building broadcast stations and studios for over 30 years and I can assure you that all of the equipment I've installed in racks is ventilated properly! Also, I'm BICSI certified for hot aisle/cold aisle planning for data centers as well. One other note, that particular cabinet is near a cold air return which is actually pulling air by the bottom to assist.

Sorry brother. It sure looks packed in there to me. Hard to imagine a tighter fit but I guess with fans you're good.

rofo · « **Reply #12 on:** 4 Jan 2012, 03:22 am »

Quote from: jaxwired on 4 Jan 2012, 02:49 am

By all means, go away. Geez, what a baby.

"Baby" WOW for all you know I could be the age of your father or mother. My humble apologies to your Majesty, I have just made a promise to you and myself to stay away.

P.S. jacwired research "Dunning–Kruger effect"

Best to All

Elizabeth · « **Reply #13 on:** 4 Jan 2012, 04:50 am »

Quote from: jaxwired on 4 Jan 2012, 02:49 am

By all means, go away. Geez, what a baby.

Wow, you tell folks to F*k off (in slightly more polite language) after you are busted for dissing them, and then after they explain politely that they have taken care of the issue you are mentioning..You insult them like some five year old.
Good show dude.

bunky · « **Reply #14 on:** 4 Jan 2012, 10:55 am »

i run my gear in a open rack,the majority of my stuff is tube gear elevated on Herbies footers and as the heat rises convection pulls cooler air in from the bottom of the chassis. my SET amps power tubes are 6C33-B's and they are notoriously hot when run in class A and i would not even consider closing these things up in a cabinet

jaxwired · « **Reply #15 on:** 4 Jan 2012, 12:40 pm »

Quote from: Elizabeth on 4 Jan 2012, 04:50 am

Wow, you tell folks to F*k off (in slightly more polite language) after you are busted for dissing them, and then after they explain politely that they have taken care of the issue you are mentioning..You insult them like some five year old.
Good show dude.

First of all, saying someone has "ignored ventillation" when they have a picture that shows gear packed into the tightest smallest space possible with what appears to be fully closed sides is a completely legitimate conclusion. It is also a country mile away from being offensive or insulting.

Secondly, the guy I told off, WAS NOT THE GUY THAT OWNED THE EQUIPMENT IN QUESTIONS! AND, when I read that I was wrong, I apologized to the guy that did own the equipment for an honest mistake based on the conclusion that 99% of people would have drawn from that picture.

Thirdly, that guy I told off was sooooooo offended by this extremely mild comment that he is swearing off the entire forum. That is a massive over reaction and THAT is the childish behavior. I merely responded in language that this very very hyper sensitive person could understand.

Feel free to retract your post now that you understand the facts.

jaxwired · « **Reply #16 on:** 4 Jan 2012, 12:52 pm »

Quote from: rofo on 4 Jan 2012, 03:22 am

"Baby" WOW for all you know I could be the age of your father or mother.

Lol! Really? You don't know what "baby" means? OMG. Ok, it's a euphemism based on an analogy. You see, infants or "babies" tend to cry very easily. They are hyper sensitive. When a guy is called a "baby", he is being accused of being hyper sensitive or an emotional weakling with very thin skin. It has nothing to do with age. I would think someone schooled in the "Dunning–Kruger effect" would know this.

niels · « **Reply #17 on:** 4 Jan 2012, 03:05 pm »

Very neat indeed, back then they knew how to make racks!

AVnerdguy · « **Reply #18 on:** 4 Jan 2012, 03:26 pm »

Quote from: jaxwired on 4 Jan 2012, 02:50 am

Sorry brother. It sure looks packed in there to me. Hard to imagine a tighter fit but I guess with fans you're good.

NP. Looks can be deceiving. I know it looks tight but I took great care in the layout to make sure everything could breath properly. The fans are temp controlled and don't activate much unless I'm really pounding on it. I just don't have much room in my tiny house to spread the equipment out so this was a good solution and allows me to move everything at will.

HsvHeelFan · « **Reply #19 on:** 4 Jan 2012, 03:47 pm »

Quote from: AVnerdguy on 4 Jan 2012, 03:26 pm

NP. Looks can be deceiving. I know it looks tight but I took great care in the layout to make sure everything could breath properly. The fans are temp controlled and don't activate much unless I'm really pounding on it. I just don't have much room in my tiny house to spread the equipment out so this was a good solution and allows me to move everything at will.

In that pic, the receiver/tuner appears to be a mid-70's Pioneer (possibly)? My first stereo was a Pioneer receiver and it looked almost exactly like that (I think it was the SX-nnn series).

Nice reel to reel rig as well.

HsvHeelFan