Bi-Wire or Jumpers

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Albert Von Schweikert

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Re: Bi-Wire or Jumpers
« Reply #20 on: 29 Oct 2015, 10:22 pm »
To GME109:
It is true that ribbon foil conductors cannot be easily configured for a bi-wire application, since stacking two layers of foil together with only a thin layer of insulation will result in high reactance.  There would be too much interaction between the positive and negative fields, creating unwanted inductance or capacitance, depending on the spacing of the conductors and the geometry.  I would rather lose the benefits of bi-wiring than listen to high coloration caused by improper cable design.  The company making this cable has discovered this and is correctly advising their customers to use a jumper. In many cases, there are always exceptions to the rule, and this is one of them.

To BobRex:
You're certainly correct.  In my desire to keep the topic simple, I left out some of the technical info, which you graciously supplied.  Thank you!

To SundayNiagra:
The owners of Master-Built are currently building a website.  At this time, we are the only US distributors for this product, and the MSRP has been a moving target, since the fabrication and materials cost has changed over the past couple of years.  However, I can say that M-B builds four different levels of cables, from entry level, affordable cable products to the upper end models with nose-bleeding prices.  We use their most expensive model, the ULTRA series, since we need to get the best possible sound quality at hi-fi shows to get on the coveted lists for "Best Sound."

gme109

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Re: Bi-Wire or Jumpers
« Reply #21 on: 29 Oct 2015, 11:04 pm »
To GME109:
It is true that ribbon foil conductors cannot be easily configured for a bi-wire application, since stacking two layers of foil together with only a thin layer of insulation will result in high reactance.  There would be too much interaction between the positive and negative fields, creating unwanted inductance or capacitance, depending on the spacing of the conductors and the geometry.  I would rather lose the benefits of bi-wiring than listen to high coloration caused by improper cable design.  The company making this cable has discovered this and is correctly advising their customers to use a jumper. In many cases, there are always exceptions to the rule, and this is one of them.


I guess the question is, whether or not a good pair of bi-wire cables would improve the sound of my VR-35's, vs my current single run of MG Auido cables with jumpers?

How do I go about finding more info on the Masterbuilt cables? Who would I call?

Thanks

leif8660

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Re: Bi-Wire or Jumpers
« Reply #22 on: 29 Oct 2015, 11:45 pm »
The price on the cables is not a secret, we just have many options.  You can call me and we can discuss options.

My name is Leif Swanson.
951-682-0706

SundayNiagara

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Re: Bi-Wire or Jumpers
« Reply #23 on: 30 Oct 2015, 11:58 am »
The price on the cables is not a secret, we just have many options.  You can call me and we can discuss options.

My name is Leif Swanson.
951-682-0706

Post them.

gme109

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Re: Bi-Wire or Jumpers
« Reply #24 on: 31 Oct 2015, 05:18 pm »
Post them.

Same price as listed in this 2011 StereoTimes review, at least for the Standard.

http://www.stereotimes.com/cable083011.shtml

gme109

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Re: Bi-Wire or Jumpers
« Reply #25 on: 31 Oct 2015, 05:22 pm »
Would like to hear from VSA users who are using Masterbuilt cables, particularly the Standard speaker, interconnect, and power cord models.

What did they replace, and in what ways did they improve the sound of your system?

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Re: Bi-Wire or Jumpers
« Reply #26 on: 31 Oct 2015, 06:12 pm »
To gme109:  I'm using a full set of Masterbuilt Signature balanced interconnects, speaker cables, and power cords.  The power cords replaced several Shunyata Python and Anaconda CX power cords.  The ICs and SCs replace ones by Harmonic Technology.

I have a full loom of Masterbuilt Ultra ICs and SCs on order and should have them shortly.  The MB Signature power cords are staying right where they are.

In 2013 I was asked to try a prototype of a two meter pair of balanced interconnects.  I posted my impressions.  Here's the link to the thread:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=116987.0

When I previously got my full loom of MB Signature, I posted my impressions at the following thread.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=93029.0

Here's a link from another poster with impressions specifically of the Masterbuilt Standard powercords.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=110850.0

Robert

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Re: Bi-Wire or Jumpers
« Reply #27 on: 1 Nov 2015, 03:14 am »
Master Built Signature here. Replaced Kubala-Sosna Emotions which are cables that I think are great for people looking for more warmth. My electronics are warm enough so things got a little too warm. I find the Signatures straddle the fine line for me between imaging and tone, so to me they sound like there are no cables at all. We all know that's impossible but that is my impression of them.

gme109

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Re: Bi-Wire or Jumpers
« Reply #28 on: 2 Nov 2015, 03:42 am »
Thanks for the feedback on Masterbuilt cables.

Tried an experiment today. Had a old pair of inexpensive MAC CuQ speaker cables lying around, so decided to try bi-wiring my VR 35's. Used the CuQ's on the bass, and the MG Auido on the top end.

I was actually quite shocked how much better everything sounded!! I would say there was at least a 25 to 30% improvement across the board. In retrospect, it was like the VR 35's were only running on 6 or their 8 cylinders, before bi-wiring them. Soundstage expanded in all directions, with increased image specificity. Dynamics, both macro and micro were much improved. Everything sounded so much clearer, and more natural.

Can't imagine how much better everything might sound with a matched pair of higher quality bi-wired speaker cables.

rich58b

Re: Bi-Wire or Jumpers
« Reply #29 on: 2 Nov 2015, 04:21 am »
@gme 109
I live not too far from where Von Schweikert speakers are built, so when ordering a pair of VR 33's with bi-wire capabilities, I offered to pick them up to save a little on the shipping. I met Albert, and found him to be incredibly outgoing and easy to talk to. He asked me what kind of cable I'd be using and I told him I was using a  homemade set bi-wired cables, the cable being 12g Monster Cable. He suggested I take home a pair of Masterbuilt Standards that he had on hand, and said to hook up only one of them with those cables, and use the Monster Cable for the other speaker. At the time, I was one of those who believed that cables were an expensive hobby item only for those who had big bucks to spend, and would make little difference to my ears. I couldn't have been more wrong! The speaker that was hooked up with the Monster Cable sounded like it had a veil of some heavy material draped over it. The difference was absolutely amazing.  Bigger soundstage,  cleaner bass, just better all around sound in every respect. Needless to say, I bought the cables and have never had a moments regret.