Notes on the Timepiece 2.1

Double Ugly · « **Reply #100 on:** 12 May 2006, 06:05 pm »

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What are you planning to use for fill?

Since he is going this far already why not consider.....
http://www.audiopoints.com/micro.html

I found it to be noticable better than sand although at a price. I also have some 10 lb. lead blocks that I have used within stands.

That's what I use, and I've found no reason to replace it with sand, shot or anything else.

audiojerry · « **Reply #101 on:** 12 May 2006, 06:10 pm »

Bill's quote

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My recommendation would be to use Audio Points under the stand in a 4 point arrangement.... Between the stand and speaker, I would go with very small Audio Points in a 3 point arrangement. This is how my Continuums were setup and it did make a difference over using rubber bump-ons or spikes. A little more costly but in my opinion, will provide the best results.

Why is that? What's the theory behind this application? I'm not questioning that it works - I'm just curious how, and what makes Walker's different?

Bill Baker · « **Reply #102 on:** 12 May 2006, 06:58 pm »

Why is that? What's the theory behind this application? I'm not questioning that it works - I'm just curious how, and what makes Walker's different?

Hi Jerry,

I could go on all day about the use of quality brass cones between the speaker and stands but to keep it short, it is a continuation of resonance control from the speaker straight on down to the floor. The speaker will obviousy resonante and if you are using rubber pads or something else of a different material, you would have two different technologies working against each other or at the very least, one cancelling the other out.

Let's say you have audio points under the stand at the floor and something along the lines of sorbothane between speaker and stand. The material under the speaker is damping or absorbing the energy therefore not allowing it to make it's way down to the Audio Points at the bottom of the stands. In this case, we have wasted money under our stands.

I am a beleiver in transfering all the engery down to the floor rather than trying to absorb it somewhere along the path.

The internal materials used within my Bella speakers also follow this guideline as my goal is to allow the energy to make it's way through the cabinet where such technologies as Audio Points can do it's thing it from there.

Every audio component resonates. I say "let it", it's how we handle this resonation that makes the difference. We have to be consistant though.

I hope this helps in trying to explain my theories in resonance control. I'm not always very good at putting my words or thoughts in writing.

nicksgem10s · « **Reply #103 on:** 3 Jun 2006, 04:49 pm »

Anyone else get their Timpiece 2.1 yet? I have been reading up on these speakers and they have me intrigued. I would love to hear from some more owners about their experience with them.

Double Ugly · « **Reply #104 on:** 3 Jun 2006, 07:01 pm »

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Anyone else get their Timpiece 2.1 yet? I have been reading up on these speakers and they have me intrigued. I would love to hear from some more owners about their experience with them.

Hi Nick, and welcome.

Check your messages...you should have a PM.

bhobba · « **Reply #105 on:** 4 Jun 2006, 12:03 am »

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Anyone else get their Timpiece 2.1 yet? I have been reading up on these speakers and they have me intrigued. I would love to hear from some more owners about their experience with them.

Hi Nick.

Still waiting for certain financial issues to resolve themselves before getting mine delivered. But to be honest I believe these are one speaker you can purchase unheard without concern. Other fine speakers exist at this price point but IMHO very few come close and none beat them. If you use lower powered amps then Bobs new Radience may appeal - except for its deep bass it apears as good as the Timepieces - just higher sensitivity.

Thanks
Bill

Bica · « **Reply #106 on:** 7 Jun 2006, 02:23 am »

My Timepiece 2.1 on the stand,

Bica · « **Reply #107 on:** 7 Jun 2006, 02:31 am »

In the room

Bica · « **Reply #108 on:** 7 Jun 2006, 02:33 am »

The front:

lonewolfny42 · « **Reply #109 on:** 7 Jun 2006, 03:39 am »

Look'in Good Bica !!!

Bica · « **Reply #110 on:** 7 Jun 2006, 06:58 am »

Being basically broke (as is the case with many college students) and falling in love with audio may appear to be an oxymoron, but that's how I (and some of my friends) grew up becoming an audiophile. Probably because of this background, I always liked to ask the question: What's the minimal price for building an absolute state-of-the-art system?

Looking at my current system, I asked myself the qeustion again and did some quick calcualtion:

(All prices MSRP)
Timepiece 2.1, studio finish w/ woofer and Sonicap upgrade: $3,795
NuForce Ref. 9: $2,500
Modwright SWL 9.0SE: $2,200
Vaccum State JTLi SACD Player: $1,650
Interconnect, cable and stand: $300
Total: $10,445

My system actually costs more than that because I have the piano lacquer finish on the Timepiece, and the SE upgrade on the NuForce ($1,500). Nevertheless I am still quite encouraged by the outcome (yes, I think it costs less than if I go completely DIY).

The new millenium so far has been most depressing in general, yet audio has taken an unexpected turn and IMHO is reaching its finest moment ever--in absolute performance terms, and no longer just for the rich.

Bica · « **Reply #111 on:** 15 Jun 2006, 02:11 am »

After experimenting with a pair of 60cm (24-inch)-high stands for a couple of weeks, I've concluded that I prefer a lower stand. Mike was right

I think it's mainly the relative position of the ears to the tweeters. Curious to know other Timepiece users' experiences...

Double Ugly · « **Reply #112 on:** 24 Jun 2006, 06:11 pm »

Quote from: Bica on 15 Jun 2006, 02:11 am

After experimenting with a pair of 60cm (24-inch)-high stands for a couple of weeks, I've concluded that I prefer a lower stand. Mike was right

I think it's mainly the realtive position of the ears to the tweeters. Curious to know other Timepiece users' experiences...

Interesting...I never noticed a difference with my 2.0s, but I know someone who mentioned the same thing with his Continuums.

My 2.1s are back at Bob's for tweaking, so it'll be a while before I can evaluate them.

Bica · « **Reply #113 on:** 24 Jun 2006, 08:32 pm »

This actually leads to another question--perhaps a bit philosophical, but nonetheless an important one IMO: What should the relative (to the listener) vertical position of the reproduced sound stage be?

On one hand, I am used to the relative sound stage position at a live concert (when listening from one of the "good sounding" seats in the National Music Hall in Taipei, you don't "look up" at the performers--usually the stage is at your eye level or a bit lower). The Timepieces on a pair of 50 cm/20 inch high stands seem to be offering just that.

On the other hand, the microphones used at the recording scene are proabably level with the performers.

On the third hand, some microphones may be positioned pretty high at recording.

On the fourth hand

, are the speakers supposed to reproduce what the microphones "see" in terms of the relative vertical position of the performers?

Bill Baker · « **Reply #114 on:** 27 Jun 2006, 04:05 pm »

In regard to stands, I think this has a lot to do with the size of the room. Playing with the Bella 2's (I wasn't about to set the 105 lb. Continuums on light duty 32" stands). I found that at a distance of 12 feet or less, the 20" stands worked best for me. This put the tweeter at about 6 inces above ear level.

Moving into my larger room and sitting 20+ feet back from the speakers I found that going higher, 32" stands, provided a more spacious soundstage and gave me, as well as other listeners, the feeling of being at a live venue.

Maybe I will go down the long side of my building which will give me 45+ feet to work with.

There is obviously an unlimited number of possibilities to play with but I think in most average size listening rooms, 18" - 24" stands will suit most applications. Wait a minute.....what is an average size room??