It's all Artificial!

Quiet Earth · « **Reply #20 on:** 29 Oct 2011, 03:21 am »

Ted,
thanks for the addendum link.

Charles,
thanks for ordering one. I look forward to seeing your thoughts about it. Keep us posted.

Rclark · « **Reply #21 on:** 29 Oct 2011, 04:27 am »

Oh you bought one! Lovely. Exciting!

niels · « **Reply #22 on:** 29 Oct 2011, 11:48 pm »

Cant find that video demo, where is that? Want to hear if this is another Q-Sound attempt or something like that.

highfilter · « **Reply #23 on:** 30 Oct 2011, 12:34 am »

Quote from: niels on 29 Oct 2011, 11:48 pm

Cant find that video demo, where is that? Want to hear if this is another Q-Sound attempt or something like that.

Video is on this page: http://www.bsgt.com/technology-information/oscilloscope-view-of-qol/

Anonamemouse · « **Reply #24 on:** 30 Oct 2011, 11:09 am »

Quote from: niels on 29 Oct 2011, 11:48 pm

Cant find that video demo, where is that? Want to hear if this is another Q-Sound attempt or something like that.

From what I hear this is a lot better... I WANT ONE!!! Alas it will probably be about 18950 euro by the time it gets here...

DaveNote · « **Reply #25 on:** 30 Oct 2011, 03:53 pm »

Quote from: rollo on 28 Oct 2011, 06:38 pm

Guys the Qol requires attenuation from the volume control. So either between the source and Pre or between Pre and Amp. They suggest trying both ways. I would not worry about the addtional cables as the quality of such just may not matter much. [ Did I just say that ] We shall see.
I ordered one. Should have it shipped next week sometime.

charles
SMA

Charles, given the comments on this thread, my guess is that many of us will be anxious to hear what you have to say about your BSGT gear. I hope you'll give us a bit of a review. Thanks.

Dave

rollo · « **Reply #26 on:** 30 Oct 2011, 04:45 pm »

I will do a review after some break-in. I will post an out of the box comment however in fairness to the Manf. we will wait untill full break-in before posting a full review. Exciting times may be upon us.

charles
SMA

rollo · « **Reply #27 on:** 30 Oct 2011, 04:57 pm »

Quote from: ted_b on 28 Oct 2011, 06:57 pm

Rollo (guys), read the addendum (edit: ?? you must have; you changed your tune and edited your post during my typing) . They now prefer it after the pre, before the amp. Either way ok, (but I'd rather not be corrected when I'm not wrong). I've spoken to the folks a few times too.
http://www.bsgt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/qol_signal_completion_stage_addedum.pdf

I mention ht bypass cuz in "addendum mode" you could send not only your pre into a QOL input, but also your ht's front l/r's into another QOL input, thereby using it in an HT if your 2 channel pre has no unity gain or ht bypass functionality. The BSG folks thought that was a great idea.

OK Ted. Thanks.

charles
SMA

Anonamemouse · « **Reply #28 on:** 30 Oct 2011, 04:57 pm »

*SO* jealous...

amblin · « **Reply #29 on:** 8 Nov 2011, 10:08 am »

:oHmmm...Interesting....would definately like to see some actual user feedbacks and results...

pardales · « **Reply #30 on:** 8 Nov 2011, 10:27 am »

Fascinating...looking forward to your impressions.

Rclark · « **Reply #31 on:** 12 Nov 2011, 05:53 am »

Typed Qol into Google and found an interesting article about the technology being used in a car audio system. I think I recognize the article's writer as a professional car audio judge who's been around a while. Anyway, it's already in use.

oh, guess I could post a link: http://caraudiomag.com/articles/qol-sound-processing-technology

jimdgoulding · « **Reply #32 on:** 12 Nov 2011, 08:10 am »

Some producers and labels are better, more devoted to the presentation of the players and setting of the recorded music, than others. Duh. Some small labels and producers are into more realistic production of dynamics and instrumental timbre of instruments, to include voice, and IN real time and space!

ted_b · « **Reply #33 on:** 12 Nov 2011, 02:34 pm »

Not a good review!! I know and respect Bruce very well.

http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?4384-Stereo-Field-Processing

DaveNote · « **Reply #34 on:** 12 Nov 2011, 03:53 pm »

Quote from: ted_b on 12 Nov 2011, 02:34 pm

Not a good review!! I know and respect Bruce very well.

http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?4384-Stereo-Field-Processing

Thanks, Ted, for linking us to Bruce's assessment. I'm always wary of manufacturers of audio products claiming to do miraculous things, but then say they cannot explain exactly how it does them. Bryston, I would venture to guess, has never done this in its whole history, but there are numerous companies that have. Tice, for example, made a wonderful power conditioner (I still have mine), but then started promoting what seemed to be snake oil to many people.

The Qol people may, in fact, have a product that does change the sound of an audio signal, but Bruce's comments make a persuasive case for how it probably is doing it. I checked it out and the Rupert product he believes does the same thing is less than half the price.

Dave

rollo · « **Reply #35 on:** 12 Nov 2011, 05:13 pm »

Interesting take by Bruce. Our experience is totally different. I do not have a console or recording studio. The qol unit is changing with some 50 hours or so on it. A bit bright at first however the brightness is gone now. Phasey ? Not to our ears.
What we hear is more presence, decay, sparkle, air, life, weight, bass with added gain. Had a couple of guys over for a listen. They came to the same conclusion.
So it appears we have different opinions. We are very pleased with what we heard so far. Is it worth $4000 ??? Thats the $64,000 question. Are there alternatives ? Could be. However until we do a side by side comparison with another method or device I will not offer an opinion. It's only fair. Differing opinions, ears, rooms, gear is what makes our audio world go round.
We were taken back by this device. We are considering taking on BSGT to sell after the demo. Different strokes for different folks.

charles
SMA

DaveNote · « **Reply #36 on:** 12 Nov 2011, 06:29 pm »

Quote from: rollo on 12 Nov 2011, 05:13 pm

Interesting take by Bruce. Our experience is totally different. I do not have a console or recording studio. The qol unit is changing with some 50 hours or so on it. A bit bright at first however the brightness is gone now. Phasey ? Not to our ears.
What we hear is more presence, decay, sparkle, air, life, weight, bass with added gain. Had a couple of guys over for a listen. They came to the same conclusion.
So it appears we have different opinions. We are very pleased with what we heard so far. Is it worth $4000 ??? Thats the $64,000 question. Are there alternatives ? Could be. However until we do a side by side comparison with another method or device I will not offer an opinion. It's only fair. Differing opinions, ears, rooms, gear is what makes our audio world go round.
We were taken back by this device. We are considering taking on BSGT to sell after the demo. Different strokes for different folks.

charles
SMA

Charles, I can't speak for Bruce, but it seems to me that his point wasn't that the BSGT doesn't alter the sound, but that it probably isn't a breakthrough product in terms of processing the analog system in a new way. If he's right, and you went out and bought the Rupert Neve component, you just might find that it would produce the results you're finding with the BSGT gear - results that would be explainable and replicable wihout reference to Qol (secret) technology. I can only guess, but I suspect, again if Bruce is right, that Qol is an algorithim of some kind that, unlike the Rupert Neve, is preset and unadjustable.

None of this is meant to suggest that you're not hearing what you're hearing. But you might think about getting the Rupert Neve device in to do the side by side comparison you mention before making a decision on how to handle the BSGT product.

http://rupertneve.com/products/portico-5014/

Dave

Quiet Earth · « **Reply #37 on:** 13 Nov 2011, 12:26 am »

New links! Thanks for sharing that.

I noticed that the Portico 5014 device (by Rupert Neve) is called a stereo editor. If you read the manual, it says that there is nothing to edit (adjust, enhance, process?) for a true mono signal. It looks like there is something that you can adjust for panned mono, but I am a little confused whether or not it is something that could benefit a final mix (in mono). The 5014 unit is also intended to be used for submixes, and it looks like it has inserts for other mastering gear as well. It runs off a switch mode power supply and has a DC to DC converter inside. This is all done for a reason, all of which benefit the mastering environment, not so much the home stereo environment. So, while it may be a similar tool, it clearly has a different purpose.

The qøl unit on the other hand is a source enhancement device. It claims not to edit (or process) the signal, but to instead enhance what is already there in the final product. It seems to work just as well with mono recordings as it does with stereo recordings. Maybe Charles can comment on this later. (Thanks again Charles for sharing your experience with the qøl.)

We might as well take a look at this product too while we're at it : http://www.fmacoustics.com/c_dom_fm_133_233_harmonic.html. I didn't know there were so many companies working on this kind of gear. Very interesting.

rollo · « **Reply #38 on:** 13 Nov 2011, 05:13 pm »

All interesting talk here. However maybe we should start a thread out of the Bryston Circle. I did get a bit off topic, sorry OP

charles
SMA

ted_b · « **Reply #39 on:** 13 Nov 2011, 05:34 pm »

A first-hand account from one of the folks from the Bay Area Audio Socitey:

I am a member of the Bay Area Audiophile Society, and just returned from was apparently the first demo to an group of this technology by the president of BSG Technologies - the company that produces the first audiophile device using the Qol Technology.

In a word - WOW! I have heard many amazing technology demos as part of BAAS, including a demo of the Reference Recordings HRX Technology conducted by Professor Keith Johnson. This Qol demo was the most impressive demonstration of the true capabilities of high end audiophile technology I have ever heard.

For example: You can be seated to the far right side of the listening room, close to the right side speaker, and when the Qol is engaged - suddenly you can clearly hear full stereo - anywhere in the room. The "sweet spot" disappears and the entire room becomes the sweet spot.

The effect varies, depending on the recording you are listening to, but on dynamic recordings it becomes like you are IN the recording venue. The system is designed to return a significant amount of information that are normally lost in the process without this device.

I thought my system was almost complete -- now I have to come up with an additional $3,995. Word of warning: Don't go to a demo of this device! If you do, you will have to buy it. I am hoping that they come up with a lower cost version of the processor soon. The will be licensing the technology to various interested companies soon, particularly manufacturers of auto sound systems.