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I would like to clarify a few points about the greater voltages thatresult from the 5AR4. Here are my numbers: 5Y3 5AR4 -----------------H+ 8.13 8.226.2V, after R423 6.33 6.41B+ 369 378305V (R438L/R) 304 313
I find the level of noise at silence (no input, volume at nil) to be rather high... I am running direct from the Chime into a Bryston 3B-ST, and a pair of Sound Dynamics 300Ti speakers. I correct the noise by attenuating with an L-pad between the Chime and Bryston by about 10dB.
Is it possible to reduce the gain of the Chime output stage?
So, aside from attenuating after the Chime, can anything be done about this noise?
Hmmm... It seems you have a classic case of impedance mismatching. While "in specifications" all seems correct (1k - output impedance of the Chime, 50k - input impedance of the Bryston on the unbalanced input) in reality something is out of order. That is why adding the L-pad has the effect.
The output stage has gain=1. I'm far from thinking that almost classic first stage would add such noise while the grid is effectively at ground. So the problem is somewhere else. You can do classic trick with adding a capacitor ~1uF between the grid and the ground of the output tube. It effectively eliminates everything AC from the first stage while preserve the DC point. With such test you can check where the noise is from? In my opinion the problem is in the output tube. It's cathode has rather high potential (around 150V) relating the heater, for some tubes (especially old) it can be out of specs or noisy.
I'm rather confident in these measurements, and do not believe I have, for example, reversed the labels.
Voltage at the wall during my measurements was right about 121V. Throughout a typical day, it ranges 119.5-123.
R424 and R425 are 3.9K. R424 does have a diode in series.
Forgive my ignorance, though I'd appreciate a bit more explanation of this. My intention with the L-pad is simply to attenuate, not better match impedance. The Chime has at least 10dB more gain than I need with my speakers. I drop the absolute amount of noise by 10dB while retaining plenty of signal.
... grounding the grid on V400 effects no reduction in noise.
Adding a capacitor from V401 grid to ground does eliminate nearlyall of the noise, particularly on the right channel (L on board). Presumably due to my rather long jumper, it does result in some 60 and 120hz hum. The noise is effectively gone though. Curiously, the left channel retains some noise--I believe the difference is due to the tube itself.
Using a simple tone generator on my laptop, and terminating thechime into 22kohm, I notice that I achieve 4.44V peak-peak, whether noise or a pure sine. The noise is approximately 2mV p-p. That 4.44V p-p strikes me as somewhat higher than the expected 1.2Vrms * 2.8 = 3.36 V p-p. Am I mistaken here?
You mentioned some "drift" in measures across the R438s. It's notgood. It may be the Brimar (main suspect) or a solder problem of R437,or leakage in C400, C411 (in doubt, because you have the noise in bothchannels - very small possibility that you made the same mistake inboth channels or have bad parts in both channels; the fact I'mmentioning this is that the noise from one channel may affect theother).
All of the tests here are with ... power only, and either a scope (22k termination) or the amp on the output. For considering the noise, I've kept the volume at nil.I have now removed the HAGDAC; the noise persists, and has not changed in in level (still 64db) or character by ear.
To be sure, I've changed both (singly and together) the AU7 and AX7tubes. This doesn't affect the noise beyond the db values in my first post.
By 'drift', I mean that the measurement was somewhat unstable oversecond timescales. They varied approximately 0.06V, possibly with some larger peaks.
With respect to drift, I also notice that the output of both channelsexhibits a slowly changing DC offset, ranging as much as 10mV over several seconds. I'll need to arrange for a long exposure to share the scope trace, should you be interested in seeing it.
Good to mention conditions of tests. Found: we do not have external electrical influence and should look into the circuit itself.Then, to eliminate the last possibility of internal pollution - could you disconnect the Chime from the outlet and listen to what happens? The heaters will supply emission for several seconds, the B+ capacitors - allow to work the same seconds. We eliminate switching noise from heaters and B+ rectifiers, capacitive coupling to mains and several other things.
OK! It should prove that the tubes are not the source of the noise, but I'm not convinced fully (oxidized pins? bad batch of tubes? bad socket? bad socket's solder joints? broken PCB contact pad? ... ). There should not be such noticeable noise in the circuit!
I'm testing by pulling the plug. Alas, for the approximately 2 seconds that the power light remains on on the Chime, the noise remains. There is no change in any quality of it, so far as I can hear.
Given the number of times I've swapped tubes lately, I'll bet all of the contacts are squeaky clean!
For isolation, would it be acceptable to disconnect B+ from one channel, say by pulling R424, and possibly grounding it instead?
Unfortunately it raises the B+ voltage if you just pull R424 or cooks the R424-425 if you ground them. I'm afraid If you are absolutely sure about good tubes and there is no signs of broken traces or colder joints around the tubes the next steps are going to be rather difficult.
I had previously shorted those diodes; it made no difference. I don't know why they were added either. I do have a plot of B+ with the sovtek 5y3gt. The following is 500mV/div. The diodes were not shorted at this time.