Just bought a BDP-1, What to do with my ALAC library?

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JfTM

The elves in Peterborough are assembling my BDP-1 as we speak. In between Pete's games anyways  :lol:

I've been watching the forum for a while and noted the various ALAC/iTunes related posts.

My question is after the dust has settled and you've transitioned to the BDP with your ALAC files; what worked and what didn't.  What would you do differently?

I have about 4,400 songs all ALAC in iTunes.  A good portion of it is artist produced; I mention this because iTunes has had no tagging issues even with the lesser known artists while friends of mine with JRiver and PowerAmp have had problems.  I'm a little nervous that if I convert to FLAC I'll end up with a tagging nightmare.

Any good war stories?

Thanks

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Re: Just bought a BDP-1, What to do with my ALAC library?
« Reply #1 on: 6 Oct 2011, 06:34 pm »
I would first suggest just to try ALAC on the BDP-1, you might not experience the issues I had and with two firmware updates since then it might not even be a problem.     I've had enough "chirps" to scare my socks off that I have very little desire to try it.

The easiest method to convert ALAC to AIFF is to have iTunes do it.  Change your default import setting to AIFF in the preferences, and then select some files, right click and convert (i.e. create aiff version).    I did this by chunks so I could keep track of how many songs were converted, i.e. if i selected 1000 ALAC songs, I better see 1000 AIFF songs, it's easy to sort if you have the right columns listed in iTunes.
 
Once I was happy that the "chunk" of files properly converted I removed the ALAC files from the database, but I actually left the files, which I archived to another USB HDD as a long term backup.   

With this approach you will keep all your embedded tags and also any information that the iTunes database itself keeps (i.e. album art).     Works fine for both Windows and Mac.

For a Mac, MAX is another option to mass convert, and I've used that before to create FLAC and compressed versions of the ALAC/AIFF files.   You won't lose any tags that are actually stored in the file, but iTunes handles the artwork differently for albums.   If you want to also keep your album art, you will need to copy the artwork and then save it to all files in the album (there's another post with detail steps).   All the apps for Mac will use the coreaudio library when converting to ALAC to AIFF, so iTunes or Max will do the trick.

For MAX, to convert to FLAC is rather simple, if you have a dual core set it to run parallel 3 jobs, four cores set it to run parallel 5.. 

To convert ALAC to FLAC on Windows, others will have to provide recommendations.

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Re: Just bought a BDP-1, What to do with my ALAC library?
« Reply #2 on: 6 Oct 2011, 06:43 pm »
Hi JfTM,

I don't have any ALAC files to test with right at this moment, however they are based on similar standard as AIFF so a small amount (4400) shouldn't even cause the BDP-1 to break a sweat.

Chris

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Re: Just bought a BDP-1, What to do with my ALAC library?
« Reply #3 on: 6 Oct 2011, 06:50 pm »
Hi James,

I revisited the BDP1 in my system at home and I'm very happy to report that I can now transfer AIFF songs/albums from my iTunes library and have the BDP1 read/organize all the tags beautifully! The Mpod app I used worked without a single glitch.

Overall, with the latest firmware updates, the BDP1 is really amazing. I really like being able to create playlists on the fly....or having the option not to!

Thanks again,
James
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Transfer music files from MAC to BDP-1 Drive
•   Open "Finder"
•   Open "Music" > "iTunes" > "iTunes Media" > "Music"
•   Each "Music" folder contains all the album tags, as well as the AIFF file
•   Now drag and drop whichever album folder into your connected hard-drive but do not open any of them first because you run the risk of missing some tags.           
•   If you've organized your "Media" library so that the album tags reside on your internal hard-drive, but the music file resides on an external hard-drive (which is recommended by several experts) then you might be hooped.
•   If you're using iTunes on a PC then God help you; you should probably be using a different media player anyway! :)
•   Anyway, it worked perfectly for me. Some albums were missing their artwork because iTunes didn't have it data based in the first place.

JfTM

Re: Just bought a BDP-1, What to do with my ALAC library?
« Reply #4 on: 6 Oct 2011, 07:44 pm »
Thanks for the advice.

I'll probably start with ALAC and see how that goes.  I assume a straight copy of my iTunes to a USB drive should work?

And I should have mentioned my iTunes is in a PC environment, not Mac.


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Re: Just bought a BDP-1, What to do with my ALAC library?
« Reply #5 on: 6 Oct 2011, 08:19 pm »
I would make sure the USB drive is formatted as FAT32 (VFAT) or NTFS, without copying a single file plug it into the rear port of the BDP-1.      It might help to rename the HDD to something like "music".

Then on your PC, search for "synctoy" on microsoft.com and set it up to "echo" your iTunes library (and other libraries) to the BDP.    Each time you add a song to any of your libraries, just rerun SyncToy, request the BDP to update it's local library and you are good to go.  Once it's set up it's very simple to get new content.   

For the mac folks, you can look at "rsync" assuming your command line mojo is strong.

Jim


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Re: Just bought a BDP-1, What to do with my ALAC library?
« Reply #6 on: 7 Oct 2011, 12:00 am »
Thanks for the advice.

I'll probably start with ALAC and see how that goes.  I assume a straight copy of my iTunes to a USB drive should work?

And I should have mentioned my iTunes is in a PC environment, not Mac.

That might makes James's instructions a little redundant, If your running Windows 7 your computer should be able to discover the bdp-1 after a minute or two of search.  Simply click the start menu and click network.  If network is not list, click computer and network should be listed in the left column in the new window.  Once this is open the computer should start looking for shares on your network.  For the first time around i would recommend just doing direct usb to your computer then connect the drive to your bdp-1.  Then whenever you want to add a couple more albums, just shoot them over the network with the given instructions above.  If you have any problems there plenty of tech savvy users on these forums.

Chris

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Re: Just bought a BDP-1, What to do with my ALAC library?
« Reply #7 on: 7 Oct 2011, 12:37 am »
Hi Marius

If you can get away with setting the BDP-1 to use a static ip address you could use a new feature in the firmware to stop avahi during the startup process.  The feature is found in the settings page and is labeled as "Startup Script".  Simply copy and past the following into the large text box, click apply, then restart the bdp-1 from the settings page.
Code: [Select]
#!/bin/bash
/etc/init.d/avahi-daemon stop

Then use the static ip with your mpc clients (ie mpod, minion, etc)

Marius

Re: Just bought a BDP-1, What to do with my ALAC library?
« Reply #8 on: 9 Oct 2011, 01:12 pm »
Hi Chris,

just now read this post, because it;s not in the thread I posted my question.
Will try your suggestion. Just to be sure: I need to set the BDP1 to have a fixed ip address too? In -settings-network I mean? So do both actions in settings: set it to static, and rum the star up script. Correct?

No need to change anything in the router-settings?

Marius

Hi Marius

If you can get away with setting the BDP-1 to use a static ip address you could use a new feature in the firmware to stop avahi during the startup process.  The feature is found in the settings page and is labeled as "Startup Script".  Simply copy and past the following into the large text box, click apply, then restart the bdp-1 from the settings page.
Code: [Select]
#!/bin/bash
/etc/init.d/avahi-daemon stop

Then use the static ip with your mpc clients (ie mpod, minion, etc)

JfTM

Re: Just bought a BDP-1, What to do with my ALAC library?
« Reply #9 on: 19 Oct 2011, 12:42 pm »
Picking up my BDP-1 today  :D :D

As usual with Bryston it took days to get here, and customer support (Both James and Chris) has been outstanding  :thumb:

Getting ready to move my iTunes library (PC Win7) to my external hard drive for the BDP.  What folders should I move over; iTunes Music and Album Artwork?

Is there any format requirements; both folders in a single folder, keep separate, ...?

Thanks

srb

Re: Just bought a BDP-1, What to do with my ALAC library?
« Reply #10 on: 19 Oct 2011, 04:09 pm »
What folders should I move over; iTunes Music and Album Artwork?

iTunes stores all downloaded album artwork in cryptic .itc2 files in the Album Artwork folder hierarchy linked to the song files by the iTunes database.
 
If the album artwork was acquired by either manually dragging or pasting into the artwork window in the sidebar or by browsing to a graphic file from the Artwork tab in Get Info, then the artwork will be stored as metadata in the file itself (except for .wav files, of course), but this is generally more the exception than the rule, and the bulk of most iTunes library artwork is usually acquired by downloading.
 
For iTunes library artwork to show up in in another music player, the album artwork either needs to be (a) embedded in each songfile or (b) exist as a folder.jpg file in each album folder.
 
Album artwork can be embedded into the song files from within iTunes by copying the graphic from the artwork window and then pasting it back in, on an album by album basis.
 
Third party tagging software or ripping software with artwork tagging functions can also be used to download new artwork and embed it into the song files.
 
Steve