intergrated amp

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rbwalt

intergrated amp
« on: 30 Sep 2011, 01:44 pm »
roger how about building a nice integrated amp with say about 60-70 watts per channel. make it a killer with some very good parts. something to compete with some of the other amps out there. now the new Ars-sonum integrated amp with 60 watts pentode, 40 watts class A is a real killer! it will be used at the RMAF in the Merlin Music room.

rob.

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Re: intergrated amp
« Reply #1 on: 30 Sep 2011, 06:23 pm »
I'm into tube integrated amps (with an active pre section) in this power range also. Preferably one that can use EL34s, KT66s and KT88s. An American made well built (durable) one with high quality parts would be very interesting.

another Rob

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Re: intergrated amp
« Reply #2 on: 1 Oct 2011, 09:27 pm »
Okay.  But I'd rather see you finish your OTL first...

Roger A. Modjeski

Re: intergrated amp
« Reply #3 on: 3 Oct 2011, 11:22 pm »
Okay.  But I'd rather see you finish your OTL first...

I just finished some OTL 5,000 volt amps for Acoustats. I will get on the OTL for the 8 ohm folks soon. Thanks for your encouragement.

Roger A. Modjeski

Re: intergrated amp
« Reply #4 on: 17 Oct 2011, 03:06 am »
Okay.  But I'd rather see you finish your OTL first...

-This text is also on the RM-9 MK-I vs MK-II thread as the OTL question was also asked there.

OTL amps for 8 and 4 ohm speakers, or speakers that have dips below that, require a large number of tubes and fairly complex circuitry. The SA-4 amplifier I designed for Counterpoint has eight output tubes per channel. With that many tubes mono-blocks are the only way to go and it's not an inexpensive adventure initially or later in tube replacement. It is pretty at night though.

I have recently completed an OTL design for direct driving electrostatic panels at the 5,000 volt range. The circuit is similar to an SEPP or SRPP (those terms seem to be used interchangeably). The resulting amplifier has some very nice qualities, the main one being enormous peak power capability of 2,500 watts with only four output tubes.

Scaling this down in voltage and adding an output transformer of special design I propose to make an amplifier that is class A up to 20 watts, AB up to 40 watts and have a peak output of about 100 watts.

This is what most people really need for listening to music. I rarely measure more than a few watts in most systems played loud. Granted there are some very power-hungry speakers, in large rooms with high SPL listeners and I already make the RM-200 for those. However, most of us are better off with an amp that gives us a good class A power range and lots of peak power for headroom. There is no need to be class A on the peaks.

Amplifier rating since the FTC passed it's testing rules in the mid 70's has skewed amplifier design in a high RMS power direction. I think they got several things wrong, especially the 2/3 power pre-conditioning test that made large heat sinks and heavy power transformers necessary. The pre-conditioning test should be done at a much lower level of 10-20% because that's what music is.

Tentatively I plan to make this a line level integrated with 3 inputs, volume and a power switch. I hope to price it around $1500. It is going to have big tubes with plate caps, because that's where the high peak power is to be found.

 

pehare

Re: intergrated amp
« Reply #5 on: 21 Oct 2011, 08:45 pm »
Roger, would you consider producing an amp that's switchable from UL to triode mode, why or why not & what are the tradeoffs therein?  There are some really good integrateds out there that have that feature.

Roger A. Modjeski

Re: intergrated amp
« Reply #6 on: 23 Oct 2011, 03:37 am »
Roger, would you consider producing an amp that's switchable from UL to triode mode, why or why not & what are the tradeoffs therein?  There are some really good integrateds out there that have that feature.

I have made some RM-9s switchable, that's easy because it's ultralinear. It can't be done unless the screen and plate voltages are the same.  The RM-10 and RM-200 do not lend themselves to this. If one it to make a triode amp, its better to start out that way.