Bryston BDP-1 takes more than 12 hours to load drive

HoaTran · « **on:** 9 Sep 2011, 07:15 pm »

hello Bryston BDP-1 owners,

I have heard and read great things about Bryston BDP-1 player so I decided to buy the BDP-1 and BDA-1 combo. They came with a thumb drive containing a few Hi Res digital audio files. I also bought three Western Digital Elements SE 750GB (formatted in FAT-32) to store AIFF files that I ripped from my CDs.

When I test the new BDP-1 & BDA-1 combo, the BDP-1 can load the thumb drive and one of the WD hard drives which contains about 50 albums of Jazz and play them fine, with wonderful sound. I went ahead and ripped about 150G of classical music (I guess around 200 CDs) and store them on the 2nd WD 750G, the BDP-1 is running all night long and still cannot load that drive up. An email was sent to James and he suggested that it might be the WD hard drive drew too much power from the USB port. I then exchange the WD drives for a 500GB Seagate Ultra portable hard drive and the same thing happened! A call to Seagate confirms that 500GB Seagate Ultra portable hard drive draws 500mA of current, which is within Bryston's spec.

I then called Bryston and talked to Chris Rice, Chris suggested that the BDP-1 takes much longer to load AIFF files vs FLAC due to the internal software. I might take Chris's advice and convert all the AIFF i already ripped to FLAC and try just for the heck of it but before I do that, I just want to know if there're any other advices you can give me?? (ahhh..just the thought of converting all these files makes me feel tired already!)

150GB of digital music to me is NOT that big of a digital library, i wonder what i did wrong or why the BDP-1 cannot successfully load it?

Please help!

Additional info :

1. When I first load the BDP-1, it says:

S1.16 2011-07-15 (lastest firmware?)

2. I dont connect more than 2 drives (either thumb or hard drive) at the same time.

3. I called Seagate and they said the 500GB Ultra portable drive draws 500mA current, so it's within Bryston's spec.

Phil · « **Reply #1 on:** 10 Sep 2011, 06:39 pm »

I don't have the exact drive you do but I do have a Seagate free agent 500 GB drive connected to one of the rear ports of the BPD-1. It contains nearly 1,000 CDs ripped as FLAC without compression. Loading is a minute or so (I think, at any rate it is very fast) now that I have the latest firmware (same as yours).

Perhaps dbpoweramp will perform this conversion from your current AIFF files (not sure).

Good luck. The BDP-1 is worth the effort!

Phil

alexone · « **Reply #2 on:** 10 Sep 2011, 08:38 pm »

welcome to the forum, HoaTran!

i guess you are NOT using the front usb ports for the external hdd? however...don't do it!

al.

zybar · « **Reply #3 on:** 10 Sep 2011, 08:53 pm »

I loaded in over 3TB's worth of music (in FLAC) in way less time than you with my BDP-1, so something is definitely wrong.

I am using a pair of these drives from Oyen Digital:

http://oyendigital.com/hard-drives/store/TQM12H-72-2000-S.html

Can you run a test and see how long it takes to load the same music file in the FLAC and AIFF formats?

George

RLL1 · « **Reply #4 on:** 10 Sep 2011, 09:54 pm »

HoaTran.....dBpoweramp has a batch converter if you want to change from AIFF to FLAC. I have never used it, but I am sure it beats re-ripping the cd's.

Rick

terrycym · « **Reply #5 on:** 11 Sep 2011, 06:48 pm »

Quote from: RLL1 on 10 Sep 2011, 09:54 pm

HoaTran.....dBpoweramp has a batch converter if you want to change from AIFF to FLAC. I have never used it, but I am sure it beats re-ripping the cd's.

Rick

As George says, there's something wrong.
You shoudn't be expected to rerip/convert all your music, after all the format you're using is supposed to be supported?
Sounds like a BDP-1 bug to me.

skunark · « **Reply #6 on:** 11 Sep 2011, 08:04 pm »

I have 700GB of AIFF and it loaded in less than 20 minutes. Either an issue with the drive, USB cable or BDP. ( make sure you use te cable that came with your hdd)

HoaTran · « **Reply #7 on:** 11 Sep 2011, 09:11 pm »

Quote from: terrycym on 11 Sep 2011, 06:48 pm

As George says, there's something wrong.
You shoudn't be expected to rerip/convert all your music, after all the format you're using is supposed to be supported?
Sounds like a BDP-1 bug to me.

I totally agreed! I havent found what is wrong yet. The other 750GB drive that has about 30-40 albums of AIFF loads within 2 min and play fine. But the one (also 750GB) which contains 150GB took more than 24 hours and did not finished loading. I dont think there's anything wrong with the drive because I had tried three of them and same thing happened. I exchange those WD drives for Seagate Ultra Portable 500GB with the same result. Bryston rep did confirm that AIFF takes much much longer to load, but in my case, it failed to load !!!!!

HoaTran · « **Reply #8 on:** 11 Sep 2011, 09:20 pm »

Quote from: RLL1 on 10 Sep 2011, 09:54 pm

HoaTran.....dBpoweramp has a batch converter if you want to change from AIFF to FLAC. I have never used it, but I am sure it beats re-ripping the cd's.

Rick

Thank you. I'll try that with my Jazz batch. Now i'm still using Audiogate to convert my 150G of Classical first.

HoaTran · « **Reply #9 on:** 11 Sep 2011, 09:21 pm »

Quote from: alexone on 10 Sep 2011, 08:38 pm

welcome to the forum, HoaTran!

i guess you are NOT using the front usb ports for the external hdd? however...don't do it!

al.

No, I used the bottom rear, connect only one drive at a time.

alexone · « **Reply #10 on:** 12 Sep 2011, 09:55 pm »

HoaTran,

could you find out anything in the meantime...???

al.

HoaTran · « **Reply #11 on:** 13 Sep 2011, 08:04 am »

A little update:

I have converted those 150GB of AIFF to FLAC (i think it shrinks down to around 50-60GB now), with same hard drive (of course same music from same albums) and upload time is less than 2 min. That is promising! I am trying to rip more music to get the content hitting the mark of 100GB or so, just to see how the BDP-1 handle it.

In a conversation with Chris Rice, the embedded Linux engineer at Bryston, I expressed my desire that in the next firmware update, that he would, please, take a look into this AIFF issue, and Chris said that is on the top of his list.

More update to come when I get more music to FLAC.
Hoa

terrycym · « **Reply #12 on:** 13 Sep 2011, 08:27 am »

FLAC doesn't need to use compression.
Converting using dbPoweramp, there is a setting to use no FLAC compression if users are concerned about compression

HoaTran · « **Reply #13 on:** 13 Sep 2011, 04:35 pm »

I didnt say that FLAC needs compression. Plus, isnt FLAC already a compression audio codec????? That is why i said with the same amount of files, the size "shrinks" down when converting from AIFF (uncompressed) to FLAC (compressed but lossless).

James Tanner · « **Reply #14 on:** 13 Sep 2011, 04:49 pm »

Quote from: HoaTran on 13 Sep 2011, 04:35 pm

I didnt say that FLAC needs compression. Plus, isnt FLAC already a compression audio codec????? That is why i said with the same amount of files, the size "shrinks" down when converting from AIFF (uncompressed) to FLAC (compressed but lossless).

Correct

james

JfTM · « **Reply #15 on:** 14 Sep 2011, 12:59 am »

I've seen posts where people uses FLAC to take advantage of tagging, but set FLAC to record uncompressed; to relieve the processor of the task of decompressing lossless files.

Is there really any difference? Doesn't the software see a FLAC file and process it as FLAC; uncompressed or lossless?

skunark · « **Reply #16 on:** 14 Sep 2011, 01:32 am »

Quote from: JfTM on 14 Sep 2011, 12:59 am

I've seen posts where people uses FLAC to take advantage of tagging, but set FLAC to record uncompressed; to relieve the processor of the task of decompressing lossless files.

Is there really any difference? Doesn't the software see a FLAC file and process it as FLAC; uncompressed or lossless?

You can run "top" on the BDP and see the CPU peg on FLAC/ALAC files vs and run idle on the AIFF and WAV files. A fun little experiment

terrycym · « **Reply #17 on:** 14 Sep 2011, 08:58 am »

Quote from: skunark on 14 Sep 2011, 01:32 am

You can run "top" on the BDP and see the CPU peg on FLAC/ALAC files vs and run idle on the AIFF and WAV files. A fun little experiment

How do you run 'top' skunark?
I presume you've found a way of getting into the Linux OS?
Thinking about it, did you use telnet?

skunark · « **Reply #18 on:** 14 Sep 2011, 09:03 am »

JohnR · « **Reply #19 on:** 14 Sep 2011, 09:06 am »

I love Unix.

That's why all my computers are Macs