First OB Speakers: Garage DIY

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praedet

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First OB Speakers: Garage DIY
« on: 17 Aug 2011, 12:23 am »
Well Guys, this was something I did for fun more than anything and to use what I had on hand.  I basically needed a set of garage/outdoor speakers that I could put anywhere.  I had a set of old component car speakers laying around with some curly maple, and this is what they turned into.




Now, they obviously have NO bass, but the imaging and volume I get from an old HK Receiver I had laying around is pretty impressive.  Now I just need to figure out a good cheap sub to fill in, and put on a Cap to keep < 2-300 Hz from going to these ;)

Feel free to give me a hard time as this was done with little to no planning :oops:

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Re: First OB Speakers: Garage DIY
« Reply #1 on: 17 Aug 2011, 12:31 am »
You won't get a hard time from me.  :nono:  Those look killer!!  :thumb:

It's very obvious to me that you put some thought and time into this build. Most guys hack on some scrap 2x4's and MDF for their garage speakers. You not only used great wood, you got out the router, countersunk the screws, put a nice finish on them and even set them in a bed of clover to take their picture in.  :lol:

That's awesome man. You should be proud.
Bob

panomaniac

Re: First OB Speakers: Garage DIY
« Reply #2 on: 17 Aug 2011, 01:23 am »
Agreed. Very nice!
Sure, with that tiny baffle and the stock crossover you won't get any bass, but it's a start.  You could probably go much further with these.

praedet

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Re: First OB Speakers: Garage DIY
« Reply #3 on: 17 Aug 2011, 03:17 am »
Thanks guys ;)

I was quite impressed with how good they actually sound.  The soundstage and imaging is amazing.  Even moreso when they are outdoors.

The baffle size was chosen primarily based on how much wood :oops: I had laying around, and secondly so they could sit anywhere...

How would you modify the crossover for the lack of bass?

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Re: First OB Speakers: Garage DIY
« Reply #4 on: 18 Aug 2011, 03:23 pm »
Oooo...   :o   Crossovers are a long and complicated subject.  You'll find some good info digging thru threads on this forum, but you'll have to dig.

The main point for an open baffle crossover is this:  You have to fight the rising mids of the woofer.  Or falling bass, if you look at it that way.  So most woofers on a reasonable size baffle will have this rising midrange problem.  If you use a conventional box crossover, it won't be taking that rise into account.

To get a proper tonal balance you have to cross the woofer much lower than you would in a box.  Why?  Because the low crossover point fights the rising midrange and flattens out the woofer's response.  The woofer will now have a much flatter response.  In effect, you are attenuating the midrange to get it to match the level of the bass.  If you don't, it just won't sound right.

What's the trade off?  You lose sensitivity.  You may have to trade away as much as 10dB of midrange to get close to flat with your open baffle woofer.  And these low crossover points mean big, expensive inductors.  How low you have to force the crossover point depends on the woofer and on the baffle.

Here's an example.  Let's say that you have a 15" woofer and 6" fullrange on open baffle.  You measure your fullrange and find that it's down 3dB at 160Hz.  OK, good place to cross it over to the woofer, right?  Yes.  In a box you would just set your crossover point at 160Hz on the woofer and be done with it.  But not on open baffle.  You may have to set the woofer crossover point an octave or more lower to flatten it's response and get it to blend at 160Hz with the 6".  So you may be setting the crossover point lower than 80Hz to get this to happen.  Again, that's woofer and baffle dependent.  But now that you've knocked down the woofer response, the 6" fullrange is too loud to match the woofer.  You have to attenuate the 6" to match.

That's the short end of it - the very basic concept.  It's a lot to chew on, but it should give you an idea of how crossovers need to be different on open baffle.  There is a lot more too it, but that's for another day.

In the case of your crossover it is probably crossing the woofer too high for the open baffle.  It was designed for a car, so it has it's own issues to deal with.   You may not be able to reasonably modify it for OB.  You'd have to choose you baffle size and measure to find out.

richidoo

Re: First OB Speakers: Garage DIY
« Reply #5 on: 18 Aug 2011, 04:29 pm »
Very nice woodworking! Pretty speakers.

You won't need a coil (low pass filter) on your sub, because all commercial subs have an adjustable steep filter built in.

You might like a nice 10" driver for EQ support between the mains and sub, or a bigger baffle for the mains.

panomaniac

Re: First OB Speakers: Garage DIY
« Reply #6 on: 18 Aug 2011, 08:16 pm »
I was thinking again about your new OB, and i occurred to me that you you have there is a very nice OB "top".  Midrange on up it's probably working just fine.  Now just build a big dual 15" woofer baffle to go under it, and you're ready to race.  :thumb:

praedet

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Re: First OB Speakers: Garage DIY
« Reply #7 on: 18 Aug 2011, 08:25 pm »
^^^That is what I had thought about doing.  Obviously I would need a different x-over for sure then...

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Re: First OB Speakers: Garage DIY
« Reply #8 on: 19 Aug 2011, 02:18 am »
No need.  Keep what you have.  Just add bass.  You could go active on the bass with a plate amp or similar.

Do you have anyway to measure frequency response?  Even a Rat Shack SPL meter and some tones?

Xtian

Re: First OB Speakers: Garage DIY
« Reply #9 on: 25 Nov 2011, 02:12 pm »
Hi there, i see you used a Focal VR set, these have a very high Fs, so it's normal you don't get any bass in a set up like that.

I made a set like this too, but in a small BR enclosure around 13 liters,
this gives you a nice bass response from around 50Hz..