US Food Consumption - Data, Trends, and Analysis

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« Reply #180 on: 28 Jun 2012, 04:09 pm »
'Dramatic' and 'simplistic' are interesting words to describe 'Good Calories, Bad Calories'. I'd hate to read your idea of pedantic.

They apply to 'WWGF'. GCBC was good and is certainly thorough and more nuanced that WWGF, but the detail and substance is centered more on the historical side of the formation of the 'lipid hypothesis' than strictly on carbs/insulin.  it's not that he's completely off-base, but he's refined (no pun intended) his position to the point that it's become too simple. You don't automatically become fat ONLY because you consume carbs - the fact that some people manage to remain slim while doing so clearly shows that.
 I'd have much less objection if he put greater emphasis on how it applied to people that were already overweight. In those cases, the insulin cycle does seem to work much more closely to his description.


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« Reply #181 on: 28 Jun 2012, 04:11 pm »
Look past the calories to the behavior of consumption and you see the forest for the trees.  To say it simply... high carb diets create hunger cycle leading to more calories consumed -- KEY POINT.

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« Reply #182 on: 28 Jun 2012, 04:37 pm »
One other thing - if people don't think that walking daily and doing resistance training 2x per week can get results, I'll share my own success.  I started out only being able to walk "fast" for about 15 minutes.  I can now walk "fast" for an hour or more.

I hate going to the gym, so I got a pullup bar and a couple of pushup handles.  I could only do 1 pullup when I started, and 8 pushups.  As of today, I can do 8 pullups and 25 straight pushups.  I still am weight-steady at 169 lbs, but today for the first time in a looooonng time, I can start to see my ab muscles!  ABS!!!  Haha, I'm so stoked :)

Unfortunately I still have love handles, but I don't know if they will ever go away, considering I had them when I weighed 155 lbs in high school and ran track, played basketball, and football.  But hey, I'm still pretty damn happy!

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« Reply #183 on: 28 Jun 2012, 04:41 pm »
They apply to 'WWGF'. GCBC was good and is certainly thorough and more nuanced that WWGF, but the detail and substance is centered more on the historical side of the formation of the 'lipid hypothesis' than strictly on carbs/insulin.  it's not that he's completely off-base, but he's refined (no pun intended) his position to the point that it's become too simple. You don't automatically become fat ONLY because you consume carbs - the fact that some people manage to remain slim while doing so clearly shows that.
 I'd have much less objection if he put greater emphasis on how it applied to people that were already overweight. In those cases, the insulin cycle does seem to work much more closely to his description.


Not trying to be argumentative (well, probably too late for that), but WWGF is supposed to be simplistic - it's a distillation of the former book for those who want to get to the meat (pun intended) of the subject. I also just flipped to the back of the book and landed in the Q&A where right at #9 he addresses why some stay lean while others get fat (genes, partitioning fuel ability). Right there and very clear and yes 'simple' but that again is the point of the book.

Also do not forget internal fat. In the beginning of the Men Who Made Us Fat doc, the commentator gets the MRI showing that although he doesn't have much visible fat, his *internal* fat around the organs was double what it should be....




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« Reply #184 on: 28 Jun 2012, 04:43 pm »
wushuliu - visceral fat is a killer.  It is probably the #1 cause of sudden heart attack death, especially in younger and 'fit' people.  And guess what the primary driver of visceral fat is?  Yep, grains and sugar.  I almost dropped dead from a near fatal MI at 34, I don't want to have that experience again. 

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« Reply #185 on: 28 Jun 2012, 04:57 pm »
wushuliu - visceral fat is a killer.  It is probably the #1 cause of sudden heart attack death, especially in younger and 'fit' people.  And guess what the primary driver of visceral fat is?  Yep, grains and sugar.  I almost dropped dead from a near fatal MI at 34, I don't want to have that experience again.

Glad you made it made it, man. Glad you made it.


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« Reply #186 on: 28 Jun 2012, 05:05 pm »
Thanks man.  It was a scary experience.  But dealing with the constant threat of a 2nd MI always hanging over my head was actually worse.  Anti-depressants did not help, but alcohol did (at least temporarily).  Now I'm past all that, but I still have to be real careful about my intake of alcohol nowadays as I tend to binge drink after I get started.  But, thanks to the miracles of modern communication and information access, I know (KNOW) that I'm in much better shape and much more in control of my heart disease than ever would have been possible in the past.

For me, the main issue is getting the atherosclerosis under control.  The fact that the stuff that makes you healthy ALSO leads to effortless weight loss and feeling better, and whipping GERD, and lowers blood pressure, and reverses pre-diabetes, that's all just GRAVY to me :D

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« Reply #187 on: 29 Jun 2012, 12:19 am »
World Renown Heart Surgeon Speaks Out On What Really Causes Heart Disease

Dr. Dwight Lundell has been a heart specialist MD and surgeon for 25 years, having performed 5,000 open heart surgeries. He was Chief Surgeon at the Banner Heart Hospital in Mesa, AZ, and he ran a successful private practice.

He explains that the low fat diet is killing us by creating inflammation in our arteries. Bad diet= sugar and grains is the main culprit.

He also says that cholesterol is not the problem, so stay away from statins. New studies shows that statins causes diabetes, cancer, and muscle weakeness. Since the heart is a muscle, statins can also cause heart attacks. Dr. Lundell said that in half of his surgeries, the patient actually had normal cholesterol.


http://www.laleva.org/eng/2012/03/world_renown_heart_surgeon_speaks_out_on_what_really_causes_heart_disease-print.html

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« Reply #188 on: 29 Jun 2012, 01:45 am »
World Renown Heart Surgeon Speaks Out On What Really Causes Heart Disease

Dr. Dwight Lundell has been a heart specialist MD and surgeon for 25 years, having performed 5,000 open heart surgeries. He was Chief Surgeon at the Banner Heart Hospital in Mesa, AZ, and he ran a successful private practice.

He explains that the low fat diet is killing us by creating inflammation in our arteries. Bad diet= sugar and grains is the main culprit.

He also says that cholesterol is not the problem, so stay away from statins. New studies shows that statins causes diabetes, cancer, and muscle weakeness. Since the heart is a muscle, statins can also cause heart attacks. Dr. Lundell said that in half of his surgeries, the patient actually had normal cholesterol.


http://www.laleva.org/eng/2012/03/world_renown_heart_surgeon_speaks_out_on_what_really_causes_heart_disease-print.html

Thanks for the link; that's good stuff.

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« Reply #189 on: 29 Jun 2012, 02:26 pm »
World Renown Heart Surgeon Speaks Out On What Really Causes Heart Disease

Dr. Dwight Lundell has been a heart specialist MD and surgeon for 25 years, having performed 5,000 open heart surgeries. He was Chief Surgeon at the Banner Heart Hospital in Mesa, AZ, and he ran a successful private practice.

He explains that the low fat diet is killing us by creating inflammation in our arteries. Bad diet= sugar and grains is the main culprit.

He also says that cholesterol is not the problem, so stay away from statins. New studies shows that statins causes diabetes, cancer, and muscle weakeness. Since the heart is a muscle, statins can also cause heart attacks. Dr. Lundell said that in half of his surgeries, the patient actually had normal cholesterol.


http://www.laleva.org/eng/2012/03/world_renown_heart_surgeon_speaks_out_on_what_really_causes_heart_disease-print.html

Hi Tom,

That is a good link, and likely reasonably close to what happens, instead of the "Statin Company Line".

Cholesterol IS NOT the problem.  Strangely enough it has to combine with Calcium, and you and you don't see Calcium Lowering Meds :scratch:.


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« Reply #190 on: 29 Jun 2012, 02:29 pm »
Regarding "all calories are the same", I came across this today:

Are all calories the same

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« Reply #191 on: 29 Jun 2012, 04:02 pm »
Hi Tom,

That is a good link, and likely reasonably close to what happens, instead of the "Statin Company Line".

Cholesterol IS NOT the problem.  Strangely enough it has to combine with Calcium, and you and you don't see Calcium Lowering Meds :scratch:.

Great link, Tom, I'll plan to read it this weekend.  I'm on board with the avoiding Statins.

I have to ask - If Cholesterol IS NOT the problem, what is?  Is it not a given that people with high or elevated (total >275+) Cholesterol levels are much more likely to have heart attacts, clogged arteries, strokes and related issues? 

John, I recall reading something associated with the Calcium links.  Iirc, as we get on with age (25 yrs+?), Calcium begins leaching out of our bones.  Our highly acidic diets of soft drinks, coffee, etc. amplifies this Calcium leaching process and throws the pH balance off.  Tap water high in chlorine, all types of alcohol, coffee and soft drinks are acid-forming in the body. Likewise, all processed and sugary foods, dairy products, meat, poultry, fish and seafood are acid-forming.   I thought the point of this observation was to increase the amount of Calcium in our diets (to offset the leaching, improve bone strength, etc) and attempt to avoid more acidic food & beverages.  i.e. eat more "basic"(alkaline) foods (to counter balance the acids).

{cut & paste from a quick websearch}
Acidic Foods  Foods high in protein such as meat, fish, cheese, egg yolks, nuts and cow's milk products prompt an acid response. The increase in amino acid availability is important for health, and improves the body's ability to buffer acids in the blood. Carbohydrates from grains and processed foods also produce acids when digested and are extremely abundant in the modern diet.

Basic Foods  Fruits and vegetables are the only foods that are substantially alkaline, or basic, offsetting the acid-producing foods. Besides the benefits of high fiber and nutrients that fruits and vegetables offer, consuming two to three servings with each meal that contains protein or grains helps offset the effect of acids on the body. Green food supplements composed of fruits, vegetables and herbs, which are dehydrated and powdered, are also a great way to add alkalinity to your diet.


http://www.livestrong.com/article/535395-acidic-body-unhealthy/


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« Reply #192 on: 29 Jun 2012, 04:30 pm »
kenreau - half the people that have heart attacks have low cholesterol.  Mine was low when I had mine. 

The best theory out there nowadays is the injury theory - arteries are penetrated by a very specific form of LDL called sdLDL (small, dense LDL).  This LDL is small enough to get through the barriers of the arteries.  Once it's embedded in the artery wall, it starts to rot.  The body sees it as necrosis and sends cholesterol to patch it up (cholesterol acts as spackling in our bodies), along with white blood cells and T cells.  They attack it like they would any injury and leave behind a nice bit of soft and hard plaque more.  Over time, with repeated injuries, these build up and eventually rupture.

What causes sdLDL to increase?  A diet high in grains and sugar, and low in daily exercise. 

An alternate theory also exists that is probably correct also, which means there are 2 mechanisms that can drive heart disease.  This states that the arteries become "brittle" and start to crack over time, and these micro-cracks get spackled over with cholesterol and eventually this also builds up and leads to rupture.  What causes the brittleness?  A state of inflammation. 

What causes inflammation?  A diet high in toxins (like sugar and wheat, and possibly vegetable oils, which oxidize very easily), and a lack of daily exercise.


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« Reply #193 on: 29 Jun 2012, 04:48 pm »
Tyson, great info, thanks.  I had forgot about inflamation.  I started to look at that after a Dr.OZ show promoting eating ginger, turmeric and CoQ10 supplements.

Looks like I also really need to focus on minimizing sugars.

Thanks again,
Ken


kenreau - half the people that have heart attacks have low cholesterol.  Mine was low when I had mine. 

The best theory out there nowadays is the injury theory - arteries are penetrated by a very specific form of LDL called sdLDL (small, dense LDL).  This LDL is small enough to get through the barriers of the arteries.  Once it's embedded in the artery wall, it starts to rot.  The body sees it as necrosis and sends cholesterol to patch it up (cholesterol acts as spackling in our bodies), along with white blood cells and T cells.  They attack it like they would any injury and leave behind a nice bit of soft and hard plaque more.  Over time, with repeated injuries, these build up and eventually rupture.

What causes sdLDL to increase?  A diet high in grains and sugar, and low in daily exercise. 

An alternate theory also exists that is probably correct also, which means there are 2 mechanisms that can drive heart disease.  This states that the arteries become "brittle" and start to crack over time, and these micro-cracks get spackled over with cholesterol and eventually this also builds up and leads to rupture.  What causes the brittleness?  A state of inflammation. 

What causes inflammation?  A diet high in toxins (like sugar and wheat, and possibly vegetable oils, which oxidize very easily), and a lack of daily exercise.

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« Reply #194 on: 29 Jun 2012, 05:04 pm »
From what I've picked up, chronic inflammation seems to be the cause of many diseases, and inflammation is mostly caused by diet. In addition to sugar and simple carbs, I have read that the ratio of Omega6 : Omega3 is an issue as we consume primarily O6 and not enough O3 in our oils/fats, this was in the link with the article by Dr. Lundell.

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« Reply #195 on: 29 Jun 2012, 08:09 pm »
I have inflammation issues. I keep it under control with weight training and diet. I also take Tumeric, fish oil and Zyflamed which is a combo deal.

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« Reply #196 on: 29 Jun 2012, 09:40 pm »
Great link, Tom, I'll plan to read it this weekend.  I'm on board with the avoiding Statins.

I have to ask - If Cholesterol IS NOT the problem, what is?  Is it not a given that people with high or elevated (total >275+) Cholesterol levels are much more likely to have heart attacts, clogged arteries, strokes and related issues? 


Tyson answered this quite well above.  While cholesterol should be considered, in general it is the reactions Tyson listed that cause the deposition of Plaque, "NOT" high cholesterol.  Low cholesterol IS NOT actually a good thing since your body needs (and produces) cholesterol to be healthy.

Inflammation and Auto-immune issues are more the problem.

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John, I recall reading something associated with the Calcium links.  Iirc, as we get on with age (25 yrs+?), Calcium begins leaching out of our bones.  Our highly acidic diets of soft drinks, coffee, etc. amplifies this Calcium leaching process and throws the pH balance off.  Tap water high in chlorine, all types of alcohol, coffee and soft drinks are acid-forming in the body. Likewise, all processed and sugary foods, dairy products, meat, poultry, fish and seafood are acid-forming.   I thought the point of this observation was to increase the amount of Calcium in our diets (to offset the leaching, improve bone strength, etc) and attempt to avoid more acidic food & beverages.  i.e. eat more "basic"(alkaline) foods (to counter balance the acids).

I take a Calcium and Magnesium Supplement everyday along with Vit D.

On top of that, I drink considerable milk, and eat lots of cottage cheese.

As well I load up on Calcium Rich Veggies.





My last Heart Artery Scan (several years ago) showed a ZERO calcium score.

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« Reply #197 on: 29 Jun 2012, 09:49 pm »
I have inflammation issues. I keep it under control with weight training and diet. I also take Tumeric, fish oil and Zyflamed which is a combo deal.

Just a note to say I have found Zyflamend to be an excellent anti-inflammatory.  I usually take it daily and always for any sports related soreness, like skiing.  It is all herbal and also contains tumeric.

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« Reply #198 on: 29 Jun 2012, 10:39 pm »
As far as inflammation, I used to have carpal tunnel and even had a ganglion cyst growing in my right wrist. I am also into fungi, and have read research on the health benefits of different mushrooms. I tried using Reishi mushroom tablets to control the inflammation, and it definitely worked. Some mushrooms are immuno-modulators, they can both encourage an immune response where one is lacking and reduce unwanted immune response, as in inflammation. I ended up having the ganglion surgically removed, but only because I broke my right wrist in a mt bike accident, so they did a 2 for 1 surgery.

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« Reply #199 on: 30 Jun 2012, 10:12 pm »
We all need to keep in mind just what inflammation is, and why it occurs.

Very simply it is an immune and repair response.

Your body is trying to heal itself.

Problem is, as we age, the immune system often times doesn't work as well as it used to, and even gets confused and goes into "auto-immune" which means it starts destroying itself (or even eating itself) by mistake.

Arthritis, cancers, and some arterial diseases are contributed to by this.

Your immune system is constantly (24/7) working to identify old dead cells, waste products, and other things like bacteria, and or a virus.  It then destroys, removes, and eliminates them.

However, if the system becomes imbalanced, it can actually attack healthy tissues, and Houston, we have a problem.

One thing we know for sure, is that as we age we have MORE aches and pains, and these are often tied to inflammations.

So the problem is how to "fix" the problem that is causing the immune system to act, or over-react.

An inefficient immune system will cause us to age far more quickly, be subject to more diseases, and die younger.