[satfrat]

It's funny how everyone is saying mad dog has objectively critiqued these cables... I asked him privately what he thought of the mse cables.. his reponse was quite different from how his posts read... "secret society" may not be the proper term... but there is an underlying premise that remains true.

 OK, my bad,,, now I see a FACT. Regards, Robin

[Sa-dono]

So in essense, we have too much "drama" and "testosterone" here and not enough understanding.

Some people need to get off their butts and exercise...AND get some action Taking some time to relax and enjoy the music would not be a bad idea either

As Deputy Dog (MD's uncle) used to say "I double dog guarantee it"

TOO good!

[Sa-dono]

John Caslor/eichlerea1/F-100/Rocket/Maxwalrath    Like I said, I have NO facts and a agree with JonL's assessments. BUT to speculate, we have someone who's a danc'in one minute with praises of the MSE cable's attributes, slightly backing off from these praises the next, then stating as facts that the MSE cables aren't neutral but in fact veiled with statements of " I'll PM ya". Like Robert said, it's called reading between the lines and making assessments. And another speculation ON MY PART makes one wonder how much of a part Mad DOg's run in with PsychicAnimal over this earlier "change of heart" had to do with Mad DOg's present "facts"?? I suggest to those who want to "get the record straight" that they go back and read the trail from the start of Mad DOg's MSE audition review and take this to the present "setting the record straight" comments from Mad DOg and make up your own mind as to the facts here. I see none here myself!!!! Regards, Robin

OK, my bad,,, now I see a FACT. Regards, Robin

Good ole Robin...so astute and observant! I love how he completely overlooks, or disregards, the statements and "facts" from eichlerera1 and Rocket.

The matter of the fact is that MD has stated the facts from day one. He has told his opinion, based on his experiences, sytem, and preferences. The initial statements he made were based on a quick listen. Also, he still feels the interconnects are quite good, if I am not mistaken. However, he has found other cables he prefers NOW.

Wow, what a shocker that someone may find a better product for their tastes. Just like Robin discovering the Z-Sleeves and then raving about them, talking about how much they bettered the performance of his system, and took care of the Bybee's shortcomings. Oh no! The Bybee's must really suck now if they need the Z-Sleeves!

This is audio people! It is a hobby (although a business and money maker to some...hrmmm, I wonder to whom? Yes, the manufacturers and dealers (at least some of them ).), so it should be fun. People have different opinions, systems, and preferences. Relax, sit back in your chair, pour your favorite drink, turn on some music, and enjoy!

[vpolineni]

Good ole Robin...so astute and observant! I love how he completely overlooks, or disregards, the statements and "facts" from eichlerera1 and Rocket.

The matter of the fact is that MD has stated the facts from day one. He has told his opinion, based on his experiences, sytem, and preferences. The initial statements he made were based on a quick listen. Also, he still feels the interconnects are quite good, if I am not mistaken. However, he has found other cables he pref ...

I don't think anyone cares that Mad Dog changed his opinion on the mse cables.. like anyone else, he's certainly entitled to that... what has caused all the controversy is the manner he approached in his future statements of the cables... reverting to pm's to express his comments which are far from polite send a bad image about ridge street audio to the person he's writing and to anyone who reads his post saying "i'll pm you."  Furthermore, Robert claims that he forewarned mad dog about how the cables may react due to the nature of his equipment... was this disclaimer ever noted by mad dog in his reviews?  not that i know of... In all reality, what's done is done.. I don't see mad dog ever buying ridge street audio cables in the future (or anyone associated to him for that matter) and I think Robert's business is doing well enough (nor do I think he aspires to please everybody with his products) where he can be without a customer... I only posted to clarify what I have experienced within this whole fiasco and to make it public so that the truth, in all its entirety, can be shown.

[Sa-dono]

I don't think anyone cares that Mad Dog changed his opinion on the mse cables.. like anyone else, he's certainly entitled to that... what has caused all the controversy is the manner he approached in his future statements of the cables... reverting to pm's to express his comments which are far from polite send a bad image about ridge street audio to the person he's writing and to anyone who reads his post saying "i'll pm you."  Furthermore, Robert claims that he forewarned mad dog about how the cables may r ...

I can understand how a negative impession could be inferred from the PM route. However, keep in mind there have been a couple people on this board that are VERY eccentric and argumentative regarding anyone having a less than purely gushing review of the Ridge Street cables. I can tell you that MD is the kind of person that wants to be able to state his honest opinion without having to get in a debate or argument every time. Given the history up until now, this thread included, it should be obvious that this would not be possible through public posts. I imagine he decided to try the PM route, and now it has created other impressions and problems. You can't win sometimes. Kind of funny to me when you think about it

It is quite sad as well, when you think about it, as you can drive away valued reviews. I believe this kind of cr*p is what convinced Pez to stop posting reviews.

[TheChairGuy]

Audio, interconnects, reviewers, manufacturers, cables and accessories...

ALL SUCK

Anarchists unite!

[BikeWNC]

Just as I was about to thank JayS for posting to another thread in this circle I find myself sucked into this quagmire.  I can fully understand how MD might prefer other cables.  What is he supposed to do?  Keep the cables and find components that work well with them?  I'm sure even Robert would think that's a bit extreme.  If we get our panties twisted everytime someone has a differing opinion about some component, then we are in the wrong hobby.  I believe every review has pearls of wisdom to offer.  It takes experience to harvest them.

Andy

[satfrat]

Good ole Robin...so astute and observant! I love how he completely overlooks, or disregards, the statements and "facts" from eichlerera1 and Rocket.

The matter of the fact is that MD has stated the facts from day one. He has told his opinion, based on his experiences, sytem, and preferences. The initial statements he made were based on a quick listen. Also, he still feels the interconnects are quite good, if I am not mistaken. However, he has found other cables he pref ...

                    Good Ole' Sa-Dono,,,,, is anyone surprised with his presense in this thread??? Anyone?     Regards, Robin

[Sa-dono]

Could anyone else hear the wheels turning in satfrat's head trying to come up with that response? I almost feel embarrased for him Time to quit wasting my time...

[satfrat]

I can understand how a negative impession could be inferred from the PM route. However, keep in mind there have been a couple people on this board that are VERY eccentric and argumentative regarding anyone having a less than purely gushing review of the Ridge Street cables. I can tell you that MD is the kind of person that wants to be able to state his honest opinion without having to get in a debate or argument every time. Given the history up until now, this thread included, it should be obv ...

                         For the record, I want to state that I AGREE with Sa-Dono's feelings about Mad DOg's slam that he took after his VERY polite review of the MSE cable audition. I said so at the time with my statements to PsychicAnimal. I felt at the time that they were totally uncalled for and STILL DO. Then again, so did Robert Schult! Just for the record, now on with the show,,,, ( and I have no intention of countering Sa-Dono's attacks) Regards, Robin

[Sa-dono]

.....now on with the show,,,, ( and I have no intention of countering Sa-Dono's attacks) Regards, Robin

Lighten up Robin! Learn to roll with the punches and laugh every once in a while Don't tell me you can just dish it out, but you can't take it. Peace!

[Mad DOg]

sorry guys, been too busy to visit the forums lately...but i do have to weigh in to respond to vpolineni's post to further clarify things...

It's funny how everyone is saying mad dog has objectively critiqued these cables... I asked him privately what he thought of the mse cables.. his reponse was quite different from how his posts read... "secret society" may not be the proper term... but there is an underlying premise that remains true.

here's his PM to me VERBATIM...

mad dog,
  how do the argent audio cables compare to robert's ridge street cables?

my reply VERBATIM...

i auditioned the RSA MSE GenIIs and they were good cables, but I definitely preferred the Onix GM IC over them in my system...the Argent, AZ and Eichmann eXpress all STOMP all over the MSE GenII ICs AND the Onix GM IC...the Argent and AZ are at a level of their own followed relatively closely by the Eichmann...these 3 laid the rest to waste...the MSE GenIIs are FAR from neutral as Robert claims they are...the Onix GM isn't neutral either for that matter...in my system, the Argent, AZ Silver Ref IIs and Eichmanns represent the epitome of neutrality IMHO...

i'm glad i didn't end up trying the Poiema! and gave the Argent a try instead

UNDERLYING PREMISE??? how? i stated that in my system, while i preferred the Onix GM over the MSE GenII, the Argent, AZ and Eichmanns   bested BOTH the Onix GM AND MSE...in my system, the MSEs are far from neutral compared to the other 3...

as others who know me quite well have mentioned, i hold no ill will against Robert or any manufacturer for that matter. i do have strong opinions as most of us here do regarding what i prefer...

to truly put things into perspective...ALL of the cables above are EXCELLENT cables that most folks would highly enjoy in their systems. just like in the world of professional basketball players...they are all EXCELLENT ball players, yet even at this level there are distinctions between the good pro ball players and the best ones...once you get to this level, there is no bad...only very good and better...hope this makes some sense...

peace to all...

[JohnR]

It is my understanding that John R, the owner of AC will not offer ANY further circles to companies whose only products are cables.

Um, I think what I actually said was that cable manufacturers historically have great difficulty in keeping a circle active. *That* is the main criterion for getting a circle.

This had been stated in the FAQ for a while now

Note also that some types of products are generally not good candidates for circles, simply because user communities do not form around them. Cables and tweak devices are examples.

The procedure for getting one is also in the FAQ.

[Marbles]

 Sorry for the misrepresentation and thanks for the clarification.

[Lak]

WOW!  
ACTION PACKED

[viggen]

I think RSA is a company that takes their clients seriously judging from what I read so far on these sites.  Sometimes... maybe a tad too seriously not that it's a bad thing...I think Rob would have preferred MD to tell him that his cables sucked "in my system."  Then, everyone will be happy.  

[Psychicanimal]

My dearest Robert:

I warned you several times about this.  The forums are a double edged knife and you set yourself up by letting your cables fall in the AV123 group's hands.  Lesson learned.

I had a telephone conversation with Chris VenHaus after receiving the Pulsar digital cable he sent me for evaluation.  He told me to call him back in a week and this afternoon we talked again.  After describing the sound of his cable in a very careful and articulate language he said that what I was telling him was exactly what his cable was like.  Chris was very careful in making sure my setup, type of music (hardcore salsa/merengue and acoustic Nueva Trova) and my hearing were a proper environment to make a fair audition.  The fact that my power delivery/noise control setup is excellent and was done with the help of Sean and Deano was of primordial importance, as his cable turns out to be unbelievably quiet: it would take such a rig to fully appreciate one of the Pulsar's main advantages (he kept this fact from me until after I gave my impressions).  The result is that now he trusts me and offered me to be a Beta tester for other upcoming products.

My suggestion is to move on, be extremely careful when you post in public forums and keep up the good work.  Remember, some people will always be faithful 'warm sounding' cable customers...

[John Casler]

I warned you several times about this. The forums are a double edged knife and you set yourself up by letting your cables fall in the AV123 group's hands. Lesson learned.

Chris was very careful in making sure my setup, type of music (hardcore salsa/merengue and acoustic Nueva Trova) and my hearing were a proper environment to make a fair audition.

I agree,  I think all AV123 owners should be required to submit "hearing test" results, and demonstrate a certified "audiophile Level 3" listening ability before a manufacturer consider them for audition purposes.
 

[Psychicanimal]

I agree,  I think all AV123 owners should be required to submit "hearing test" results, and demonstrate a certified "audiophile Level 3" listening ability before a manufacturer consider them for audition purposes.
 

You got it right!  Otherwise what can happen is a situation like when this:

One of my guys from our St. Louis service center came to help me fix some stuff at work and crashed at my place because we hung out a little bit too long at the local pole aerobics bar.  The next morning he listened to my Modwright Swans.  He said I should have gotten the Bose mini's...

In reality, there's not much difference betweeen MD and my redneck friend.

Like I say,

High end is who you are, not what you buy.

[Lak]

My dearest Psychicanimal,

What does your quote have to do with the post other than being an ego builder for you?
What you say is true but…

"I had a telephone conversation with Chris VenHaus after receiving the Pulsar digital cable he sent me for evaluation. He told me to call him back in a week and this afternoon we talked again. After describing the sound of his cable in a very careful and articulate language he said that what I was telling him was exactly what his cable was like. Chris was very careful in making sure my setup, type of music (hardcore salsa/merengue and acoustic Nueva Trova) and my hearing were a proper environment to make a fair audition. The fact that my power delivery/noise control setup is excellent and was done with the help of Sean and Deano was of primordial importance, as his cable turns out to be unbelievably quiet: it would take such a rig to fully appreciate one of the Pulsar's main advantages (he kept this fact from me until after I gave my impressions). The result is that now he trusts me and offered me to be a Beta tester for other upcoming products."