scroll display ?

Marius · « **on:** 20 Jun 2011, 08:38 am »

Hi James,

Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, but is it possible to scroll the display on the BDP-1 front, to show tracknames that are longer than the display accommodates for?

Greetings,
Marius

James Tanner · « **Reply #1 on:** 20 Jun 2011, 10:19 am »

Quote from: Marius on 20 Jun 2011, 08:38 am

Hi James,

Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, but is it possible to scroll the display on the BDP-1 front, to show tracknames that are longer than the display accommodates for?

Greetings,
Marius

Hi marius,

No sorry .. the display has a limited number of characters.

james

terrycym · « **Reply #2 on:** 20 Jun 2011, 09:37 pm »

Quote from: James Tanner on 20 Jun 2011, 10:19 am

Hi marius,

No sorry .. the display has a limited number of characters.

james

That's true, but can't it scroll to display long file names?
My SACD player can do it

Davesworld · « **Reply #3 on:** 21 Jun 2011, 12:48 am »

It certainly can be done James. Whoever wrote or tweaked the program used to drive the display could have done this if either they knew how or wanted to. I'm sure it is a standard HD44780 compatible alphanumeric character display. The reason for scrolling is because it has limited characters, it is not caused by it. As is now, does it at least rotate screens? No, I do not own a BDP-1 yet but it's coming soon I hope.

In my firewall/router project (Raqcop) I use a single perl file to drive the 2x16 display built into Cobalt boxes. My MythTV box uses LCDproc and a custom script built into MythTV, it scrolls when needed depending on the task, some tasks actually rotate screens rather than scroll. I've dabbled with alphanumeric character displays in depth the last 2.5 years. Things like scrolling are not rocket science. Because we are dealing with Linux, it makes it much more do-able.

Is it a 2x20 or 2x16? My old Audiotron besides having an ugly reverse dark background baby diaper surprise green display color, is 2x40 and it is still necessary to scroll. If I were to use it much longer, I would replace that with a 2x40 VFD using a filter to make white characters or better yet an OLED if they can be had. I prefer anything that does not require a backlight.

Marius · « **Reply #4 on:** 4 Jul 2011, 07:21 am »

NOt to be finicky, but: sure it can be done...as a matter of fact it already does!
When firing up, it scrolls the Bryston logo setup routine.

Would really be a great improvement to be able to scroll the track titles on the front display. At this moment I'm playing a usb which only displays the first couple of words of the performers, which is the same for the whole disc. More than 20 tracks having the same title in display......I can't even be certain that I'm changing tracks because the display does not change...

Marius

Quote from: Davesworld on 21 Jun 2011, 12:48 am

It certainly can be done James. Whoever wrote or tweaked the program used to drive the display could have done this if either they knew how or wanted to. I'm sure it is a standard HD44780 compatible alphanumeric character display. The reason for scrolling is because it has limited characters, it is not caused by it. As is now, does it at least rotate screens? No, I do not own a BDP-1 yet but it's coming soon I hope.

In my firewall/router project (Raqcop) I use a single perl file to drive the 2x16 display built into Cobalt boxes. My MythTV box uses LCDproc and a custom script built into MythTV, it scrolls when needed depending on the task, some tasks actually rotate screens rather than scroll. I've dabbled with alphanumeric character displays in depth the last 2.5 years. Things like scrolling are not rocket science. Because we are dealing with Linux, it makes it much more do-able.

Is it a 2x20 or 2x16? My old Audiotron besides having an ugly reverse dark background baby diaper surprise green display color, is 2x40 and it is still necessary to scroll. If I were to use it much longer, I would replace that with a 2x40 VFD using a filter to make white characters or better yet an OLED if they can be had. I prefer anything that does not require a backlight.

skunark · « **Reply #5 on:** 4 Jul 2011, 07:34 am »

Lets focus on getting NTFS, HFS, EXT3 support before the display. Personally, I would prefer to order the BDP without it.

Marius · « **Reply #6 on:** 4 Jul 2011, 07:42 am »

wasn't trying to get in front first...
Just that my wife was complaining the other day she could not play the thing because of the display that was completely non relevant to the operation...Trying to keep her happy makes happy customers at this side of the ocean

Marius

PS agree with your other wishlist of filesystemformats.

Quote from: skunark on 4 Jul 2011, 07:34 am

Lets focus on getting NTFS, HFS, EXT3 support before the display. Personally, I would prefer to order the BDP without it.

skunark · « **Reply #7 on:** 4 Jul 2011, 07:46 am »

Offer her an iPad to control it? mPad seems to excite all of my guests even those that are anti-apple. I personally prefer the mPod, just smaller and quicker.

Davesworld · « **Reply #8 on:** 4 Jul 2011, 08:11 pm »

Quote from: skunark on 4 Jul 2011, 07:46 am

Offer her an iPad to control it? mPad seems to excite all of my guests even those that are anti-apple. I personally prefer the mPod, just smaller and quicker.

One shouldn't have to buy an Apple product (I refuse to) nor have to have a PC's web browser open in order to see relevant info. No matter how elated you are to have to buy other hardware in order to make a 2200 dollar player usable, I for one do not feel one should have to subsidize any company external to Bryston in order to do it. If I can do it (scroll song/video titles for miles) on a 16x2 display on my MythTV box (Like the BDP, it too is PC hardware running Linux), Bryston can surely do it on the BDP. I love Bryston too but I will not be an apologist for them when I know the hardware and OS is capable of doing something this basic.

Marius · « **Reply #9 on:** 4 Jul 2011, 08:36 pm »

Couldn't agree more.

I like the Mpad interface (though it has its quirks, ie deleting a singe file in a playlist is impossible?, no iOs-swipe), find the Max quite basic and user-unfriendly, again the playlist feature is a major step back from just throwing in a cd.....(as opposed to it being an extra, it is now the only way, and accidentally hitting a song again adds it to the playlist again,) but the front-display at this moment is useless. Visual feedback is very necessary to be able to use the buttons in the desired way. Basic Human Computer Interface.

Just try any set of tracks with longer tracknames than the display allows for. Right now I'm playing Vivaldis Gloria by Gardiner. Most relevant info is not to be found in the display: the name of the music part. Visible are the composer and the compositionname.......Not even tracknumber.

on the left you see the finder with tracknumbers, behind that on the right the Max interface, without tracknumbers, you get the idea of what is showing on the frontdisplay.....Gloria in D major, line below: Antonio Vivaldi....

Bryston must be able to do better. But you know all that and are working on it, right? #fingercrossed

Hope you will!

Thanks,
Marius

Quote from: Davesworld on 4 Jul 2011, 08:11 pm

One shouldn't have to buy an Apple product (I refuse to) nor have to have a PC's web browser open in order to see relevant info. No matter how elated you are to have to buy other hardware in order to make a 2200 dollar player usable, I for one do not feel one should have to subsidize any company external to Bryston in order to do it. If I can do it (scroll song/video titles for miles) on a 16x2 display on my MythTV box (Like the BDP, it too is PC hardware running Linux), Bryston can surely do it on the BDP. I love Bryston too but I will not be an apologist for them when I know the hardware and OS is capable of doing something this basic.

Anonamemouse · « **Reply #10 on:** 4 Jul 2011, 08:58 pm »

Quote from: Davesworld on 4 Jul 2011, 08:11 pm

One shouldn't have to buy an Apple product (I refuse to) nor have to have a PC's web browser open in order to see relevant info. No matter how elated you are to have to buy other hardware in order to make a 2200 dollar player usable, I for one do not feel one should have to subsidize any company external to Bryston in order to do it. If I can do it (scroll song/video titles for miles) on a 16x2 display on my MythTV box (Like the BDP, it too is PC hardware running Linux), Bryston can surely do it on the BDP. I love Bryston too but I will not be an apologist for them when I know the hardware and OS is capable of doing something this basic.

+1.
Basically I mentioned the same objections a year ago, when the idea was under development.

skunark · « **Reply #11 on:** 4 Jul 2011, 09:00 pm »

Quote from: Davesworld on 4 Jul 2011, 08:11 pm

One shouldn't have to buy an Apple product (I refuse to) nor have to have a PC's web browser open in order to see relevant info. No matter how elated you are to have to buy other hardware in order to make a 2200 dollar player usable, I for one do not feel one should have to subsidize any company external to Bryston in order to do it. If I can do it (scroll song/video titles for miles) on a 16x2 display on my MythTV box (Like the BDP, it too is PC hardware running Linux), Bryston can surely do it on the BDP. I love Bryston too but I will not be an apologist for them when I know the hardware and OS is capable of doing something this basic.

Don't discount table and smartphone apps as a convenient solution to control a device like the BDP, Squeezebox, Sooloos, Olive, and even your MythTV. If you have a sizable library it's just as convenient as using your computer media player and pretty much makes the 2 lines on the display pointless and a normal remote will only get you so far. There are several other options for MPD clients besides Apple's if you have an unfounded dislike for them. http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Clients

Marius, I've been able to remove and re-order songs from the mPad playlist, just press the edit icon below the list. The mPod app doesn't seem to have that feature, or at least not that I've found.

James Tanner · « **Reply #12 on:** 4 Jul 2011, 09:39 pm »

Quote from: Davesworld on 4 Jul 2011, 08:11 pm

One shouldn't have to buy an Apple product (I refuse to) nor have to have a PC's web browser open in order to see relevant info. No matter how elated you are to have to buy other hardware in order to make a 2200 dollar player usable, I for one do not feel one should have to subsidize any company external to Bryston in order to do it. If I can do it (scroll song/video titles for miles) on a 16x2 display on my MythTV box (Like the BDP, it too is PC hardware running Linux), Bryston can surely do it on the BDP. I love Bryston too but I will not be an apologist for them when I know the hardware and OS is capable of doing something this basic.

Hi Dave,

We looked at developing a handheld remote but the costs are way to high given that quality remotes already exist out there - ex- iTouch. The cost we would have to pass on to the customer would not make economic sense.

james

Davesworld · « **Reply #13 on:** 4 Jul 2011, 10:04 pm »

True James, however if it were an optional accessory sold by Bryston I wouldn't mind. A nice handheld remote would be less out of place with elegant equipment. The Remote Squeeze sells with the duet will work with any of them, even the transporter and it displays everything on the remote, great for near sighted people overdue for lasik such as myself.

James Tanner · « **Reply #14 on:** 4 Jul 2011, 10:34 pm »

Quote from: Davesworld on 4 Jul 2011, 10:04 pm

True James, however if it were an optional accessory sold by Bryston I wouldn't mind. A nice handheld remote would be less out of place with elegant equipment. The Remote Squeeze sells with the duet will work with any of them, even the transporter and it displays everything on the remote, great for near sighted people overdue for lasik such as myself.

Hi Dave

Well maybe we will look at it again at a later time but I know what the BR-2 remote cost us to develope and it is not in anyway cost effective for ourselves or our customers.

james

BrysTony · « **Reply #15 on:** 4 Jul 2011, 10:35 pm »

The iPad with the MPad app is the most awesome remote you ever used. At your next party just have it out on the table and your guests will be fighting over who gets to make the next "juke box" selection. It truly does complete the BDP-1. I cannot imagine how much Bryston would have to charge for something comparable.

Tony

James Tanner · « **Reply #16 on:** 4 Jul 2011, 10:49 pm »

Quote from: BrysTony on 4 Jul 2011, 10:35 pm

The iPad with the MPad app is the most awesome remote you ever used. At your next party just have it out on the table and your guests will be fighting over who gets to make the next "juke box" selection. It truly does complete the BDP-1. I cannot imagine how much Bryston would have to charge for something comparable.

Tony

I had about 30 people over for Canada Day and the iPad with the BDP was a huge hit

BrysTony · « **Reply #17 on:** 4 Jul 2011, 10:59 pm »

Quote from: James Tanner on 4 Jul 2011, 10:49 pm

I had about 30 people over for Canada Day and the iPad with the BDP was a huge hit

Case Closed!

Marius · « **Reply #18 on:** 5 Jul 2011, 06:11 am »

well, case closed talking about the remote. thumbs up for the Mpad indeed

not about the non-scrolling display I most sincerely hope.

Marius

Quote from: BrysTony on 4 Jul 2011, 10:59 pm

Case Closed!

Marius · « **Reply #19 on:** 5 Jul 2011, 06:14 am »

Quote from: skunark on 4 Jul 2011, 09:00 pm

Marius, I've been able to remove and re-order songs from the mPad playlist, just press the edit icon below the list. The mPod app doesn't seem to have that feature, or at least not that I've found.

Missed that indeed, thank you! looking nice. Being a heavy iOs user, I had grown accustomed to the deleting by swiping gesture. Hope they will implement that also. The edit command is a nice feature.
Marius