Getting back into it...

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chris669

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Getting back into it...
« on: 18 Jun 2011, 02:11 am »
Hi,

New member and this is what I have to work with.  These are old solid state components that I have owned for a long time, or pieced together over the years.

My old bedroom system is about all i listen to now and is working:

NAD 1240 Preamp (bought new, bit of static at times in the volume dial)
NAD 2150 Amp (used) Sometimes the protection circuit takes a while to warm up now
NAD 4220 Tuner (used)
NAD 514 CD (Bought new - lazy about playing a disc but working)
Optonica RP 7505 TT( Needs Cartridge)
Polk 4a monitors ( Needs a change/ showing their age, thining about building a replacement)

I used to run the NAD Preamp with this system:

Carver M500t - works great
ACI G2 bought new as full kit and built - Needs woofer surrounds rebuilt, and one seas tweater is dented

My objective, using what I have and some investments below to make this happen:

Get the Carver and G2 set up back up and running
Get new speaker wires
Get a Preamp that would work well with the Carver and the Optonica
Get a cartridge for the Optonica

Suggestions for putting it together right and not break the bank? My music ranges from Jazz, Classical, Electonica, Trip Hop, very eclectic.

JLM

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Re: Getting back into it...
« Reply #1 on: 20 Jun 2011, 12:48 pm »
Welcome Chris   :thumb:

So what's your budget?

And what sonic qualities do you crave (or don't give a rip about)?

Prices haven't changed a whole lot over the years, but quality has (thanks to the internet replacing bricks and mortar retailing and greatly expanding the available knowledge base for the average audiophile). 

Overall the sound has gotten leaner and better defined.  Modern electronics for instance aren't as warm/slow as your NAD's (classics as they were in their day).  Materials have gotten better.  Speakers are more European (tighter bass, more refined).

Of course lots of technology changes.  Most CD players have been replaced with PC based music servers and separate DACs (digital analog converters).  Headphone use is up and much more serious.  Vinyl is still around and tubes are back in a big way.

Except for NAD and Polk, all your brands are out of business.  Frankly the easiest thing to do is to start over.  The internet has a huge amount of information, convenient to access but it can takes tons of time.  Have fun and don't be shy to ask questions.

chris669

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Re: Getting back into it...
« Reply #2 on: 21 Jun 2011, 01:58 am »
OK great start.

What I liked about the old system, the Carver Amp has a warm sound, and could drive the ACI 3-way 10" speakers effortlessly, easily going from soft passages to 150 plus watts hitting the bass drum in Carmina Burana without distortion. I liked the very tight base from the (almost) sealed (ACI used a small vent but definitely not ported design) and a very well damped enclosure, and that you could get a realistic sound stage from the Seas aluminum dome tweeters when properly placed. Drivers are sloped to help with the timing of highs and lows.

I do not plan on using this system for home theater, just for the sheer enjoyment of listening to excellent stereo recordings on CD and occasional my collection of vinyl recordings. So I guess my druthers would be to retain the Carver amp, and for now I am in the process of rebuilding the AC10 woofers to get them back to peak performance. I am also going to replace the tweeters with the recommended replacements, which I will confirm are now Vifa domes to replace the Seas. The cabinets are rock solid construction of thick and heavy mdf and have good spikes to couple them to the floor. Replacing them today I am sure I would need to spend at least a grand, and I built these from the kit form and enjoy speaker building and woodworking. I'll move that discussion to the ACI circle, as it will be a fun project for my daughter and I.

Then first objective and greatest need is to get that amp a nice match in a pre-amp, perhaps for 350 to 500 bucks? Is it likely to find a phono stage or or better to get an add on phono preamp later when budget allows? New or used to be considered as well.

Secondly find a CD player to replace the aging and not very satisfactory NAD unit that will allow me to take advantage of an extensive CD collection of almost 700 discs. Also hoping to be under 500. Call me old fashioned but I hate compressed files,but CD's are space hogs too.

Third is to get new speaker cables as they are history. so a good quality 8 to 9 foot pair is needed, without being overkill for my application.

Fourth is to identify interconnects that will get the most from this gear but not be overkill. Same criteria, good but not overkill. Have Straightwires Musicable currently.

So initial budget is maybe 1500 to get started, and there is no huge rush to get it all done at once. Used pieces are an option for me, as I enjoy a good hunt, and love to recycle gear that needs a good home and not a trip to the landfill.

Rest of gear will remain as the bedroom system...for now.

I am willing to do some digging, even though I guess it sounds as if I like the champagne tube sound on a micro brew budget...suggestions?


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Re: Getting back into it...
« Reply #3 on: 25 Jun 2011, 12:43 am »
Chris,

For pre-amp, CD player, and phono needs I'd start with Roy Hall (his Music Hall brand).  Look into the Hybrid Headphone Amp (PH-25.2) to use as a two source pre-amp.  Uses very long life mini tubes, well reviewed, and of course offers a headphone option.  For $1150 you could get the PH-25.2, a CD-25.2, and a PA-1.2 (phono pre-amp).  Note that audioadvisor.com has a demo of the PH-25.2 on sale right now.  This is just a good starting point, check out ecoustics.com and audiogon.com for more ideas.

There's been a big emphasis in all sorts of cabling in the past 20 years, but for reasonably priced stuff look towards Blue Jeans Cable, Signal Cable, or Element Cable.  Another good source for various signal cables is Scott Endler (google him). Volex sells stupid good power cords (check out mouser.com.)  For $350 you should be able to pick up all your cables.