which USB drive to use with BDP-1

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Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #20 on: 18 Jun 2011, 07:03 am »
Hi 2TB per file correct?  Which is no issue at all with music files.

james

Two TB filesystem size I think is what is meant and is correct.  4GB is the limit on individual file size. All this with NO protection from file corruption and data loss. It's a shame that were it not for USB sticks and such, FAT and FAT32 would have gone the way of the dodo a while back. Unfortunately, the two FATs can be read by any OS so they stayed and there is no current good candidate to replace them that can be read by all OS'es used including cellphone OS's. Microsoft flatly stated years ago that corruption begins at 600MB on fat filesystems, at least in one of their engineering courses I took it was stated plainly as fact. With the size of high resolution FLAC files much less wav files, this size is easily approached on long tracks. It was absolutely necessary to come up with NTFS for themselves, as they needed a journaled filesystem with very high limits and no crosslinked file corruption (FAT filesystems are notorious for this) and of course some performance. I believe IBM played a role in NTFS development but they also have their excellent JFS filesystem.

My favorite for multimedia file storage and serving across the network is XFS hands down. EXT3 or any EXT filesystem for that matter are my least favorite in Linux for ANY type of use but better than FAT by a long way. It's mainly there for compatibility and standardization and it's not great at any one attribute but not horrible either. Basically they plopped a Journal onto EXT2 so you could easily convert volumes from the 90's into a journaled filesystem and conversely take an old 90's system and mount EXT3 as EXT2 with ease if needed. When moving large files to and from a RAID5 server using EXT3 there were many errors. Not so with XFS. For the OS itself and NOT multimedia storage I prefer Reiser 3.6 despite the rather ugly turn Hans Reiser's life took. Only the future of version 4 is in question at this point, not 3.6. It's just so darn fast with small read/writes it's amazing and I can compile code in less than half the time on a Reiser volume than I can on any of the EXT systems including EXT4. Boot times can be fast as well but there are many other things that can affect boot speed so it's not absolute. There's just no one single perfect filesystem for all uses. The right tool for the job applies to filesystems as well.

By the way, I was an Audiophile long before I was a computer geek and even long before I became an Avionics Tech. Audio was my first real love as far as hobbies and I always return to it.

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Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #21 on: 18 Jun 2011, 06:16 pm »
Hi Marius,

No difference in sound that I can detect.

Hopefully in a couple of months.  We are doing some fine tuning on the Bryston MINI and MAX interfaces as well.

james

Can you ad a play sign (triangle) for the tracks in the playlist,please?
I found is not easy reading in the top window which track is playing.
Another thing will be if is possible to keep in memory the radio station added manualy with Gnome player? Every time I shot down the player,the radio stations are gone.
Maybe an option to remove from the playlist just one track and not only the whole playlist.
thanks James

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Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #22 on: 20 Jun 2011, 06:51 pm »
Plus we have a new feature in the coming software where a dedicated attached drive will be a plus.

james


James, tell us more, you can't leave us hanging like that  :)

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Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #23 on: 20 Jun 2011, 06:56 pm »
James, tell us more, you can't leave us hanging like that  :)

We are trying to allow you to create a 'scratch drive' on one of the attached drives which will allow more room for storing very large music libraries and album art.

james

terrycym

Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #24 on: 21 Jun 2011, 06:13 am »
In which case James, would it be advantageous to have two hard drives attached to the BDP-1?
I'm about to buy a drive, should I buy two?

Alpha10

Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #25 on: 21 Jun 2011, 09:07 am »
We are trying to allow you to create a 'scratch drive' on one of the attached drives which will allow more room for storing very large music libraries and album art.

james

Hi James, may be just me being dumb, but could you explain what a 'scratch drive' is?

Cheers

Alpha10

Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #26 on: 21 Jun 2011, 09:09 am »
In which case James, would it be advantageous to have two hard drives attached to the BDP-1?
I'm about to buy a drive, should I buy two?

Hi Terry, I am running low on space too, but I want to wait and see if there is a Bryston drive bay solution in the future, such that I only buy drives I can use in that!

What are you thinking of getting?

Cheers

terrycym

Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #27 on: 21 Jun 2011, 09:22 am »
Hi Terry, I am running low on space too, but I want to wait and see if there is a Bryston drive bay solution in the future, such that I only buy drives I can use in that!

What are you thinking of getting?

Cheers
James recommended 2 1.2" Seagate so I was thinking of getting one of those from Amazon.co.uk, 500G seems like a good size. Some there for 30 odd quid.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-500GB-Expansion-Portable-Drive/dp/B001XM4P1O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1308648274&sr=8-1

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Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #28 on: 21 Jun 2011, 09:27 am »
James recommended 2 1.2" Seagate so I was thinking of getting one of those from Amazon.co.uk, 500G seems like a good size. Some there for 30 odd quid.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-Expansions-500GB-External-Desktop/dp/B0020FVKO8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1308648130&sr=8-2

Thanks, you cannot go wrong for less than £40, might grab one as well as a stop gap. I want to go full SSD for my final solution as they are coming down in price.


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Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #29 on: 21 Jun 2011, 10:02 am »
Yes I would get 2 of the 500 G rather than one 1TB.  The 500G Seagates are dead quiet and you can just leave one with most of your favoite music attached and float the other.

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Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #30 on: 21 Jun 2011, 11:57 am »
Hi James, may be just me being dumb, but could you explain what a 'scratch drive' is?

Cheers

Hi Alpha

That's what my software engineer calls it. It is just a designated area on the drive where you can store information which is readily avaiable to the BDP.

James

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Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #31 on: 21 Jun 2011, 06:04 pm »
Hi Alpha

That's what my software engineer calls it. It is just a designated area on the drive where you can store information which is readily avaiable to the BDP.

James

So efectively a small partition in the drive so it doesn't have to keep looking to update the entire, huge drives, making the startup faster again.

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Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #32 on: 21 Jun 2011, 06:07 pm »
So efectively a small partition in the drive so it doesn't have to keep looking to update the entire, huge drives, making the startup faster again.

Cheers

Hi Alpha10,

Correct - at this point we are testing whether it is better to do it on an attached drive or on the internal flash-drive - need about 500M :scratch:

james

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Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #33 on: 21 Jun 2011, 07:12 pm »
Hi Alpha10,

Correct - at this point we are testing whether it is better to do it on an attached drive or on the internal flash-drive - need about 500M :scratch:

james

Can the internal flash drive be easily upgraded?

Any more thoughts on a Bryston drive bay/unit?

Vipers

Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #34 on: 21 Jun 2011, 09:56 pm »
Hi Terry, I am running low on space too, but I want to wait and see if there is a Bryston drive bay solution in the future, such that I only buy drives I can use in that!

What are you thinking of getting?

Cheers

Same here Alpha, my 500GB is nearly full so for now I think I'll just add another 500GB drive, have one for 16 bit and another for 24 bit maybe, just got Linns top 50 Studio Masters in 24bit, that is 64gb on it's own, it's amazing how quickly my music collection has grown since getting the BDP-1  :)

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Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #35 on: 21 Jun 2011, 10:33 pm »
Can the internal flash drive be easily upgraded?

Any more thoughts on a Bryston drive bay/unit?

Hi

No need to upgrade the flash drive as there is 4GB available.

Yes I tried the NAS thing and I thing the docking bay idea is the better option for us going forward.

James

Marius

Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #36 on: 22 Jun 2011, 07:28 am »
Hi James,

the thought of having a lot of 500 gig drives around doesn't appeal very much I must say. With several thousand cd's being replaced by the same amount of hirez recordings in the near future I believe 500gig usb drives are not really an option. Plus deciding in what way you'd have to select and organize the recordings on the USB drives is contrary to the way people like to listen to music I believe. A 500gig usbdrive would be handy for lets say a complete Wagner Ring recording or two, or maybe selections based on style, but they'd be no replacement for the real browsing thing. the "in the mood-recordings" would always be just on the other USB-drive lying around elsewhere (and where would that be at that moment....)

Apparently there are NAs drives that can be seen as USB drives in the way Bryston uses them, but with a much larger capacity than the 500 gigs u talk about. Wouldn't that be the best of three worlds: a large storage capacity for your/my complete recording-collection, available to connect, browse, rip and store to/from anywhere in the network and no streaming issues Bryston is wary about thus guaranteeing the pristine sound and technical quality we all strive for in this forum

Greetings,
Marius

Yes I would get 2 of the 500 G rather than one 1TB.  The 500G Seagates are dead quiet and you can just leave one with most of your favoite music attached and float the other.

james

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Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #37 on: 22 Jun 2011, 07:45 am »

Yes I tried the NAS thing and I thing the docking bay idea is the better option for us going forward.

James

That is fantastic news, sign me up  :D

Cheers


terrycym

Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #38 on: 22 Jun 2011, 08:24 am »
One of the nice things about mpad is that it creates a single list of albums or artists from multiple hard drives attached to the BDP-1 so if you have Beatles albums (say) on multiple attached drives, mpad lists them all together under a single entry for Beatles

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Re: which USB drive to use with BDP-1
« Reply #39 on: 22 Jun 2011, 08:27 am »

Apparently there are NAs drives that can be seen as USB drives in the way Bryston uses them, but with a much larger capacity than the 500 gigs u talk about. Wouldn't that be the best of three worlds: a large storage capacity for your/my complete recording-collection, available to connect, browse, rip and store to/from anywhere in the network and no streaming issues Bryston is wary about thus guaranteeing the pristine sound and technical quality we all strive for in this forum
Which ones are those Marius?
I've been looking but not seen any.
Copying directly over the network to the drive from my PC would be a damn sight faster than going via the BDP-1