Pink Floyd remasters

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pjchappy

Pink Floyd remasters
« on: 27 Apr 2011, 03:35 am »
In your opinion, what are the best sounding Pink Floyd remasters that I could fairly easily get my hands on?  Other than the DSOTM SACD that came out a few years ago, I just have a copy of whatever CD was available at Best Buy (or wherever).  I have no complaints with my copies, but I want the 'best' and I'm up for upgrading the following:

- Meddle
- Wish You Were Here
- The Wall
- Animals
- The Wall
- A Momentary Lapse of Reason
- The Division Bell

(Or should I just wait for potential future hi-rez releases?)

Gracias!


Paul

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Re: Pink Floyd remasters
« Reply #1 on: 27 Apr 2011, 11:53 am »
You didn't like The Final Cut?

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Crimson

Re: Pink Floyd remasters
« Reply #2 on: 27 Apr 2011, 01:12 pm »
Their entire catalog was remastered to CD in 2000. Not bad. All available at Amazon. Have you ever done Animals on vinyl? Uneffingbelievable.

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Re: Pink Floyd remasters
« Reply #3 on: 27 Apr 2011, 03:18 pm »
Their entire catalog was remastered to CD in 2000. Not bad. All available at Amazon. Have you ever done Animals on vinyl? Uneffingbelievable.

 :drool: :drool:

I would wait to see what happens on the Hi-Rez front.

George


pjchappy

Re: Pink Floyd remasters
« Reply #4 on: 27 Apr 2011, 03:46 pm »
:drool: :drool:

I would wait to see what happens on the Hi-Rez front.

George

I think that's just what I'll do.  Anyone hear anything about this, by chance?


Paul

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Re: Pink Floyd remasters
« Reply #5 on: 27 Apr 2011, 03:52 pm »
:drool: :drool:

I would wait to see what happens on the Hi-Rez front.

George

I'd agree with it.  I've been holding off buying stuff for that reason and I always have a backlog of stuff to listen to and watch.  If I caught up with everything, I might re-consider buying remasters.

HumanMedia

Re: Pink Floyd remasters
« Reply #6 on: 30 Apr 2011, 01:49 am »
IMO the best versions are:
Meddle, the MFSL release
Wish you were here, the 1994 remaster
The wall, 1994 remaster (not the mfsl)
Animals, 1994 remaster
Final cut, Japanese vinyl then the original cd without tigers, not the newer compressed 1994 remaster

The last two, most recent diet-Floyd releases only have one mastered version.



In your opinion, what are the best sounding Pink Floyd remasters that I could fairly easily get my hands on?  Other than the DSOTM SACD that came out a few years ago, I just have a copy of whatever CD was available at Best Buy (or wherever).  I have no complaints with my copies, but I want the 'best' and I'm up for upgrading the following:

- Meddle
- Wish You Were Here
- The Wall
- Animals
- The Wall
- A Momentary Lapse of Reason
- The Division Bell

(Or should I just wait for potential future hi-rez releases?)

Gracias!


Paul

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Re: Pink Floyd remasters
« Reply #7 on: 1 May 2011, 03:11 am »
30th Anniversary DSOTM on vinyl is really good. 
They're still a few new ones on Amazon, I believe.
I just got done listening to Wish You Were Here (original pressing, vinyl) and Relics (UK pressing) and they're not bad, either. 

kenreau

Re: Pink Floyd remasters
« Reply #8 on: 4 May 2011, 02:43 am »
I have no complaints with my copies, but I want the 'best' and I'm up for upgrading the following:

- Meddle
- Wish You Were Here
- The Wall
- Animals
- The Wall
- A Momentary Lapse of Reason
- The Division Bell

Gracias!
Paul

Just going on your request for "the best" and ignoring for now cost and ease of obtaining, I'll toss out the list I sourced over at the Steve Hoffman Forum.  I went through a similar quest last year.  There resides a guy that has reportedly collected and reviewed all the various release versions and summarized these as The Holy Grail versions for best sound quality.  You can see all his work and comments at  http://pinkfloydarchives.com/

In random order summary, of the titles you mention, I located the following;

Meddle CD [1st Japanese. issue – 1985]
Toshiba-EMI Records, CP32-5032
Matrix: CP32-5032 11A1 +++++
Comments: This is the very first Japanese issue, and the very first Japanese pressing. Sound quality is outstanding.


Wish You Were Here CD [1st Japanese issue - 1982]
CBS / Sony Records, 35DP 4
Matrix: 35DP-4 71A6 [CSR COMPACT DISC CSR COMPACT DISC CSR COMPACT DISC]
Comments: This is one of the very first Pink Floyd CDs ever made, and its sound is legendary. It is considered by audiophiles to be the best sounding Pink Floyd CD ever made.


Animals CD [1st Japanese issue – 1987]
CBS / Sony Records, 32DP 360
Matrix: 32DP-360 11 +++++
Comments: This is the very first Japanese issue, and the very first Japanese pressing. It sounds great! You won’t find one that sounds any better.


The Wall 2-CD [West German pressing - 1985]
Harvest Records, CDP 7 46036 8
Matrix:
Disc 1: SONOPRESS C-6909 / CDP 7460362 A
Disc 2: SONOPRESS C-6910 / CDP7460372 B
Comments: This is the rare early blackface German pressing that sounds so good. It is getting very hard to find. A really great sounding CD of The Wall album.


The Final Cut CD [1st Japanese issue - 1983]
CBS / Sony Records, 35DP 53
Matrix: 35DP-53 41A4 [CSR COMPACT DISC CSR COMPACT DISC CSR COMPACT DISC]
Comments: The third Pink Floyd album issued on CD was this Japanese issue of The Final Cut. This is a very early pressing of the very first issue of The Final Cut, and it truly sounds fantastic.


A Momentary Lapse of Reason CD [U.S. - 3rd issue ]
Columbia Records, CK 40599
Matrix: 1A CK40599 24 C1 [P 104]
Comments: The third issue of this CD in the U.S. with a new mastering. One of the best sounding copies of this particular album.


The Division Bell CD [1st Japanese issue 1994]
Sony Records / SRCS 7324
Matrix: DP-6682-1 1 + ++ ++++++++ IFPI L277 [IFPI 45K8]
Comments: This is the very first Japanese issue, and the very first Japanese pressing. The instruments and sound effects really come out on this one. With obi.

And for giggles,

Dark Side of the Moon CD [1st Japanese issue - 1983]
Toshiba-EMI Records, CP35-3017
Matrix: CP35-3017-7 1A1
Comments: Dark Side of the Moon was the second Pink Floyd album to be put onto CD. This is one of the very first pressings of Dark Side of the Moon on compact disc. It is the legendary “non-TO non-CDP” 1A1 pressing, and it is considered by many to be the best sounding copy of Dark Side of the Moon.


As you can see, most are first cd pressings, from Japan or W. Germany and not "remasters".  These early digital transfers reportedly are superior due to early generation, or original master source tapes and minimal compression.  A lot were direct flat transfers similar to what was used with vinyl pressings apparently because they didn't know better (thank goodness).  The exception to these would be the remasters done by Doug Sax around 1992 that are reportedly reasonably close to the next best thing.

The digital convertors at the time in the mid 1980's are reportedly inferior to what is used now, but it's a hard call to say exactly why these sound so good.  Of the 3 or 4 of these I sourced, I find them preferred over most of the available "remasters".  I guess, to my ears, the lack of compression and maybe earlier generation source tapes out way our modern higher tech convertors, later generation sources tapes and heavy handed compression techniques.  It's kind of ironic to think that the same era 1980's to 1990's CD players we had to use made a lot of the CD music sound like crap and now that we have superior s.o.t.a. Hi-rez DACs, most of the current CD music released sounds like crap and a lot of the original non-remastered titles sound often times better, imho.


Fwiw, this same guy had his entire collection up for sale last year at an asking price of around $5,000 if I remember correctly.  I don't recall if it ever sold.  I know there was a lot of sticker shock.  These titles on his list are rare and highly regarded by PF collectors.  I recall reading of a sealed DSOTM cd selling on ebay for close to $2K.  Most can be found in used condition, depending on rarity and condition, for $50 up to $150 range.

Kenreau





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Re: Pink Floyd remasters
« Reply #9 on: 4 May 2011, 08:46 pm »
I would agree with the above for the most part, but keep in mind that the 35DP 4 CD for Wish You Were Here, the CP35-3017 non-TO mastering for Dark Side, and the original Columbia CD for The Wall (also a good one) are all flagged for pre-emphasis in the subcode, so if your digital source is computer-based you will have to add a de-emphasis curve for playback--either using SoX, Wavemph, iTunes, etc., although I liked using the FFT filter in Adobe Audition the best, which is probably the most tedious way of dealing with it.

You may want to check out the EMI Swindon CD for Meddle. An audio engineer from the UK loaned it to me once, and I have not listened to my Ultradisc since. Comparing the two, it was almost as if Mo-Fi pulled the same tape, or very close! The Swindon disc is slightly warmer and fuller sounding though, which is my preference. I call the EMI Swindon the 'poor man's MFSL' for this title, since it only cost me a few bucks on eBay (shipping was probably more).

That said, I think most will be satisfied with the Sax remasters, which are very good, can usually be found inexpensively, and are still in print at least.

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Re: Pink Floyd remasters
« Reply #10 on: 4 May 2011, 10:05 pm »
The DVD-A uncompressed quad mix DSOTM from Alan Parsons' master. It's not an official release so you'd have to find a source on forums or elsewhere.

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Re: Pink Floyd remasters
« Reply #11 on: 19 May 2011, 04:43 pm »
Here is a lousy remaster! :lol: :lol:

Here is the Full Version on FB.  I hope it's alright to link FB.

vinyl_guy

Re: Pink Floyd remasters
« Reply #12 on: 19 May 2011, 05:43 pm »
According to Goldmine, there is a new batch of Pink Floyd reissues coming in September.
http://www.goldminemag.com/news/big-wave-of-pink-floyd-releases-begins-in-september

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EMI will launch its massive Pink Floyd release campaign Sept. 26 with “Discovery” editions of the band’s 14 studio albums. Also due out that day will be expanded editions of “Dark Side of the Moon” — a six-disc “Immersion” CD/DVD/Blu-ray/memorabilia boxed set and a two-disc “Experience” edition (which EMI describes as pairing a classic album with related content “to offer a deeper listening experience”).

CDs, DVDs, Blu-ray discs, vinyl LPs, SACDs, digital formats, iPhone apps and a brand-new single-album and best-of collection are all part of the effort. Super-deluxe box sets, which will contain unreleased tracks, alternate takes, restored live concert screeen films and a live recording of the band’s 1974 “The Dark Side Of The Moon” performance at Wembley.

Laura

pjchappy

Re: Pink Floyd remasters
« Reply #13 on: 19 May 2011, 05:56 pm »
According to Goldmine, there is a new batch of Pink Floyd reissues coming in September.
http://www.goldminemag.com/news/big-wave-of-pink-floyd-releases-begins-in-september

Laura

I saw that several days ago in another post on AC.  Here's the official site for the releases:  www.whypinkfloyd.com

I wonder what the Blu-Ray content will be on some of these?

(EDIT. . .found the answer)

DSOTM:

DISC 5 – BLURAY, AUDIO+AUDIO VISUAL           

-AUDIO: The Dark Side Of The Moon, James Guthrie 2003 5.1 Surround Mix (previously released only on SACD) in high resolution audio at 96 kHz/24-bit

-AUDIO: The Dark Side Of The Moon, Original stereo mix (1973) mastered in high resolution audio at 96 kHz/24-bit

-AUDIO VISUAL: Live In Brighton 1972:

Careful With That Axe, Eugene (previously unreleased on DVD/BluRay)

Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun (previously unreleased on DVD/BluRay)

-AUDIO VISUAL: The Dark Side Of The Moon, 2003 documentary (EPK)

-AUDIO VISUAL: Concert Screen Films (5.1 Surround Mix):

                British Tour 1974

                French Tour 1974

                North American Tour 1975         

-AUDIO VISUAL: Concert Screen Films (High Resolution Stereo Mix):

                British Tour 1974

                French Tour 1974

                North American Tour 1975     

WYWH:

DISC 5 - BLURAY:

-AUDIO: Wish You Were Here, James Guthrie 2009 5.1 Surround Mix (previously unreleased) high resolution audio at 96 kHz/24-bit

-AUDIO: Wish You Were Here, Original stereo mix (1975) mastered in high resolution audio at 96 kHz/24-bit

- AUDIO VISUAL: Concert Screen films:

                Shine On You Crazy Diamond Intro

                Shine On You Crazy Diamond

-AUDIO VISUAL: Welcome To The Machine animated clip

- AUDIO VISUAL: Storm Thorgerson short film

The Wall has no Blu-Ray content.

These are the only three "Immersion" sets.  I wish "Animals" was going to be one of them.  Their most underrated album, IMO.


Paul

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Re: Pink Floyd remasters
« Reply #14 on: 19 May 2011, 06:00 pm »
Regardless, I plan on picking these up. . .and will likely get the "Immersion" sets.  I have a feeling Dave, Roger & Co. will be getting quite a chunk of my hard-earned Money. . .


Paul

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Re: Pink Floyd remasters
« Reply #15 on: 19 May 2011, 06:18 pm »
I have pre-ordered all three box sets from Amazon and now all I have left to do is wait.

pjchappy

Re: Pink Floyd remasters
« Reply #16 on: 19 May 2011, 06:25 pm »
I have pre-ordered all three box sets from Amazon and now all I have left to do is wait.

I assume you mean the 3 Immersion sets?  I'll order them soon.  They have a staggered release date, so I don't feel like spending $390+ all at once.  Regardless, I can't wait to get my hands on them!  I will also just go ahead and get all the other new standard remastered releases, too.  I'm crazy like that.


Paul