Is Ron now a GR Research Dealer?

persisting1 · « **on:** 12 Apr 2011, 11:26 pm »

Looks like his ad for a pair of N2X has be moved to Industry Ads.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=93482.0

Is it because he regularly builds and sells GR Research speakers and is now considered a manufacturer or dealer?

Ron · « **Reply #1 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 01:00 am »

Persisting1 and other Audio Circle members. I am not a dealer for GR Research. Over the past few years I have built a number of GR Research speakers and sold them mainly because I just enjoy speakers just as a hobby and to fund my next building projects. I guess the facilitator somehow thinks I am a GR Research dealer, which I am not. Therefore, he moved my N2X for sale ad from Speakers and Stands to Industry ads.

Ron

jtwrace · « **Reply #2 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 01:06 am »

Well it makes sense since you're building them to sell for profit.

PDR · « **Reply #3 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 01:23 am »

Dealer to me would mean......making a living.
Ron....you making monthly mortage payments off your sales?

JT.....what exactly is profit?......at what point....1-2-6 dollars an hr?
Or perhaps more.....You should know being an ex-DIYer theres no real money in this.....

Volume isnt 1 or 2 units every couple months.....

jtwrace · « **Reply #4 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 01:30 am »

Quote from: PDR on 13 Apr 2011, 01:23 am

JT.....what exactly is profit?......at what point....1-2-6 dollars an hr?
Or perhaps more.....You should know being an ex-DIYer theres no real money in this.....

I don't know why this is such a big deal. He's making them to fund other projects. Wheather he enjoys it or not it's irrelavant IMO (and the mods view too). He builds them specifically to sell (for profit). If it's a dollar or two it's still for profit.

OTOH he does a nice job with them and it offers some non diy'er another avenue on top of the few that are already available for pre made speakers from GR.

I didn't know that I was an ex diy'er.

Meicheng · « **Reply #5 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 01:34 am »

My view is that Ron is a hobbyist. If you factor in his time to build everything and the cabinet cost, he isn't really making much if any money. It doesn't really matter where his ads are posted so long as we don't discourage or penalize him.

PDR · « **Reply #6 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 01:59 am »

So....when did it become such a big deal??

Mods are not gods......

Dealers to me mean....people that make a living....or at least a portion of....
Hes a hobbiest that sells.....

Ex .......they dont do it anymore....

Ron · « **Reply #7 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 02:00 am »

It is true that I make very little considering the time and material cost to build the speakers I try to sell. If I were presently doing it to make a living I would certainly starve. As I previously stated, I build speakers as a hobby because I enjoy doing it. Also, I do it to help those people who want a nice sounding speaker system but don't have either the time or wood working skills to build it themselves. If I am upsetting some people by trying to sell my speakers on Audio Circle, maybe I should just stop and advertise elsewhere.

alienderivative · « **Reply #8 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 02:09 am »

Nahhh, if you enjoy it and are assisting others, don't be influenced by others' opinions.

pjchappy · « **Reply #9 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 02:44 am »

He makes speakers to sell for profit = his for-sale ads for such speakers should be in the Industry Ads Circle. That's all. . . end of issue. No reason to blow this out of proportion/overreact.

Paul

PDR · « **Reply #10 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 03:18 am »

Sooooo....first one you sell at a lose.......back to the circle then.......right?

Or maybe all have been at a slight lose.......if your time is 100 an hr.......or 6 an hr......

whats your time worth.........

its a hobby........jeez.....

persisting1 · « **Reply #11 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 04:49 am »

He's not a manufacturer, and if he was a dealer, wouldn't he have to be affiliated with the company?

MaxCast · « **Reply #12 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 11:12 am »

Guys, this is not that big of a deal. A couple of the posts above got it.

The Trading Post is intended for one of, personal used items. I even let dealers or manufactures sell their personal used piece of equipment.

The Industry Ads Circle is for reoccurring items that any member may wish to sell on AudioCircle. I don't want reoccurring items in the TP because to me they generally have a profit involved.

I can see how the words "Individual members" can be misleading. We are all an individual members. I guess I need to clarify the intents of the sale circles.

rockadanny · « **Reply #13 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 12:03 pm »

Agree with max and pj.

corndog71 · « **Reply #14 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 02:18 pm »

I would think since it's Danny's circle, he should have the final say on whether Ron can offer his work here.

I personally think Ron should be allowed to offer his work here. He's not a dealer. He's one of us. In the DIY community we all like to help each other out however we can.

I didn't even know about Industry Ads Circle. I've never gone there. It's so much more convenient to see Ron's offerings here in the GR circle.

I haven't bought anything from Ron but I've considered it. He does excellent work.

I just think this is blowing things out of proportion.

Guy 13 · « **Reply #15 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 02:32 pm »

Quote from: corndog71 on 13 Apr 2011, 02:18 pm

I would think since it's Danny's circle, he should have the final say on whether Ron can offer his work here.

I personally think Ron should be allowed to offer his work here. He's not a dealer. He's one of us. In the DIY community we all like to help each other out however we can.

I didn't even know about Industry Ads Circle. I've never gone there. It's so much more convenient to see Ron's offerings here in the GR circle.

I haven't bought anything from Ron but I've considered it. He does excellent work.

I just think this is blowing things out of proportion.

Hi corndog71 and all Audio Circle members.
Well said, I agree 100% with you.
Directly translated from French:
Une tempete dans un verre d'eau:
A twister in a glass of water...
Guy 13

srb · « **Reply #16 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 02:35 pm »

Quote from: corndog71 on 13 Apr 2011, 02:18 pm

I would think since it's Danny's circle, he should have the final say on whether Ron can offer his work here.

It's so much more convenient to see Ron's offerings here in the GR circle.

I think the ad was moved from the Trading Post circle, not the GR Research circle.

Steve

satfrat · « **Reply #17 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 03:35 pm »

Quote from: corndog71 on 13 Apr 2011, 02:18 pm

I would think since it's Danny's circle, he should have the final say on whether Ron can offer his work here.

I personally think Ron should be allowed to offer his work here. He's not a dealer. He's one of us. In the DIY community we all like to help each other out however we can.

I didn't even know about Industry Ads Circle. I've never gone there. It's so much more convenient to see Ron's offerings here in the GR circle.

I haven't bought anything from Ron but I've considered it. He does excellent work.

I just think this is blowing things out of proportion.

SRB is right as to where the thread was moved from. It had absolutely nothing to do with this circle!

I would recommend Ron continue to use this Circle to freely advertised his DIY speakers as he has done frequently in the past and simply provide a link here to his Industry Ad sale thread. Shouldn't be a big deal for him or for anyone else IMHO.

This is a moderator call and as such should be respected, not whined about IMHO. Both Paul and Rich have gone out of their way to explain their actions and that should be the end of it.

Cheers,
Robin

corndog71 · « **Reply #18 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 03:51 pm »

Oops. My misunderstanding.

pjchappy · « **Reply #19 on:** 13 Apr 2011, 06:01 pm »

Quote from: satfrat on 13 Apr 2011, 03:35 pm

I would recommend Ron continue to use this Circle to freely advertised his DIY speakers as he has done frequently in the past and simply provide a link here to his Industry Ad sale thread. Shouldn't be a big deal for him or for anyone else IMHO.

Yes, nothing wrong with this.

Paul