CONFUSED ABOUT SPEAKER WIRE

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sac1973

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« on: 30 Jan 2003, 01:48 pm »
there are two types of speaker wire..one that has two wires and one that has four wires.  what are the pros and cons of using iether one?  if i use the four wire version do i twist two of the wires together?

jcoat007

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« Reply #1 on: 30 Jan 2003, 01:54 pm »
Four wires is for bi-wiring.  If you have speakers that you can bi-wire, go with the four.  If not go with the two.

Even if you have bi-wireable speakers, you can always use the two and then use jumpers to the other pair of binding posts.  Many people feel the jumpers are adequate for bi-wire speakers.  I personally prefer bi-wires on speakers with bi-wire capability.

nathanm

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« Reply #2 on: 30 Jan 2003, 03:58 pm »
What difference would it make if you ran two wires of one size or four wires of half that size if they're both going from one amp to one speaker?  Do bi-wirable speakers have two separate crossover inputs?  Because if the cable is going to the same place on the crossover it would be pointless, right?

Marbles

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« Reply #3 on: 30 Jan 2003, 04:11 pm »
Quote from: nathanm
What difference would it make if you ran two 10AWG wires or four 20AWG wires if they're both going from one amp to one speaker?  Do bi-wirable speakers have two separate crossover inputs?  Because if the cable is going to the same place on the crossover it would be pointless, right?


Nathan when you combine gauges you subtract 3 to get approximate gauge of the new wire.

So 20 ga + 20 Ga = approx 17 ga wire.

So 17 doesn't = 10

Some speakers have seperate XO inputs and it MIGHT help to bi-wire.

Most think bi-amping is more advantageous then bi-wiring.  YMMV

Ferdi

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« Reply #4 on: 30 Jan 2003, 04:43 pm »
Hi, another aspect is that having 4 leads instead of 2 might have something to do with the cable-topology. See for instance the Groneberg website.

audioengr

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« Reply #5 on: 30 Jan 2003, 09:12 pm »
Nathanm wrote:
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What difference would it make if you ran two wires of one size or four wires of half that size if they're both going from one amp to one speaker? Do bi-wirable speakers have two separate crossover inputs? Because if the cable is going to the same place on the crossover it would be pointless, right?


Right.  The crossover inputs are different with biwired speakers.  The circuit is different than a single-wire speaker crossover, at least on one side of the circuit.  The other (ground) side may be common.  If you only drive the tweeter posts, there will be no sound from the woofer etc..

sac1973

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« Reply #6 on: 31 Jan 2003, 12:56 pm »
so if i use the bi-wire and my speakers do not have the bi-wire capability or were not engineered for bi-wiring..then it won't work.  another words..if i buy the bi-wire and twist two of the four wires together..now i have two wires..this won't work?  don't ask me why i would do this..i'm just asking. :mrgreen:

Marbles

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« Reply #7 on: 31 Jan 2003, 01:32 pm »
If you buy the 4 strand wire each being about 20 ga and twist 2 of them together per side to make two wires from the four and hook them up, it will work fine.

It would work about the same as if you bought 2 wires of the same kind of wire that is 17 ga.  

There will be some differences albeit you might not hear them.  Depending on how you twisted them together you might get better RFI/EMI rejection with the 4, you might get more (or less) inductance, and you might get less skin effect (with 4 smaller diameter wires vs 2 bigger diameter ones).

My guess is that you would not notice any difference in the music coming from your speakers.  The previous sentence was based upon an assumed level of equipment, based solely on your questions.

There are people with good enough gear and ears on this website that might be able to notice though, and that's why I pointed it out.

Just as an aside, you could buy any thickness and the 4 strands, say each being 16 ga, and make 2 strands from them.  They would probably sound similar to a 13 ga wire made from just 2 wires.

In fact, there are  speaker cable receipes from coathangers to cat 5 cable.  So most all wires have been tried.  Some with better results than others.

If you bought a premade wire like DH Labs Q10, and had a choice of terminating them with 4 ends per speaker wire for bi-wiring, or 2 for standard, there would not likely be any difference in RFI/EMI rejection, inductance, or skin effect.

If you bought DH Labs SilverSonic T-14 and made your own 4 strand wire from 2 double strands there would.

Just out of curiosity, wht speakers do you have, and how many sets of binding posts do they have?  Is there a brass plate or wire connecting the sets if there are more than one?

audioengr

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« Reply #8 on: 31 Jan 2003, 06:02 pm »
sac1973 - If your speakers are not designed for biwiring, then running 2 cables in parallel will probably not help.  This is not biwiring.  If the 2 wires that you run are unsufficient by themselves, then it may help, but this just means that the wires are insuffficient and need to be doubled-up.


Marbles

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« Reply #10 on: 5 Feb 2003, 06:40 pm »
They are not set up for bi-wiring or bi-amping.

Just get some "zip cord" speaker cables and save your money for more important things.

sac1973

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« Reply #11 on: 5 Feb 2003, 06:42 pm »
let me ask a stupid question..what is zip cord?

Marbles

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« Reply #12 on: 5 Feb 2003, 07:01 pm »
The inexpensive speaker cable that looks like a lamps cord.

You can get it at any Audio or home fixup store.

Get 12 or 14 ga. and you should be fine.

sac1973

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« Reply #13 on: 5 Feb 2003, 07:11 pm »
thanks bro