Small room help: Pics and measurments... need suggestions

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Hi guys: I own a pair of the Onix Strata Minis which sound awesome and I want to make the most out of my small room. I care about audio enough to educate myself and learn the basics. I downloaded REW and learned how to use it. As it stands, these are the first measurements I have taken in my room. Keep in mind, these speakers have 350watt subwoofers built in which I have turned OFF during these particular measurements.

Left speaker: No subwoofer.



Right speaker: No subwoofer.



Now, I also took some photos of my room to help give a visual. Its pretty dang cramped in there and im not sure how much of the stuff I have placed in the room are having an impact on my results but I do want to get as close to flat response as possible. Sorry for the bad photos: These were taken with my cell phone in poor lighting. I think they will be good enough to give you an idea what im working with though.

Entrance to the room from living room:



Front facing speakers:



Listening location:



Left speaker: Notice this speaker is not being reinforced with a corner wall like the right.



Right speaker:



So...  There you have it. I know its not the ideal room but maybe, just maybe there is hope to get a better response with your guys help?

Thanks all.

Sonny

I would start by going the "long" way so, that would be setting up the speakers on the wall where the white shelves are...

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I would start by going the "long" way so, that would be setting up the speakers on the wall where the white shelves are...

Cant. That was the only compromise I had to make with my wife. I can have the music room but she didnt want the couch right in the way of the entrance to the room.

Besides, its hard to tell in the photos but its actually only a 1ft difference between the two.

Room is 10x9x10

Sonny

Could you leave the couch there, and when you listen then move the chair to the listening spot, move it back to the side wall when not!  I just don't like sitting that close to the back wall, even with some sound absorbers...and you are too nearfield, i think.  What's the distance between the listening chair and the speakers and the left to right speakers?

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A couple of things.

If you're going to use a sub, pretty much ignore anything below 70-80Hz for now assuming you have some flexibility in sub placement.

The right speaker is getting a LOT more boundary gain than the left so that would need to be addressed.

Behind the seating, something thicker and better than foam will help with bass buildup off the rear wall.

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Could you leave the couch there, and when you listen then move the chair to the listening spot, move it back to the side wall when not!  I just don't like sitting that close to the back wall, even with some sound absorbers...and you are too nearfield, i think.  What's the distance between the listening chair and the speakers and the left to right speakers?

Thats an option... 

As of now, im 6 feet away from my ears to the speakers.

The speakers are about 6.5 away from each other cone to cone.

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A couple of things.

If you're going to use a sub, pretty much ignore anything below 70-80Hz for now assuming you have some flexibility in sub placement.

The right speaker is getting a LOT more boundary gain than the left so that would need to be addressed.

Behind the seating, something thicker and better than foam will help with bass buildup off the rear wall.

Bryan

Each speaker has built in subs.

Im thinking about going through Glen for some bass traps on that back wall unless I move the speakers to the long way as Sonny suggested.

Sonny

Each speaker has built in subs.

Im thinking about going through Glen for some bass traps on that back wall unless I move the speakers to the long way as Sonny suggested.

Where do you live?  I have some DIY Jon Risch bass traps I built you can have.  They are 4ft tall and 18" wide.
Tuan

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Where do you live?  I have some DIY Jon Risch bass traps I built you can have.  They are 4ft tall and 18" wide.
Tuan

Im in Mesa AZ 85207. Thats very generous Sonny.

JohnR

What's happening in the 5-9 kHz region - is that the speakers or the room doing that?

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Re: Small room help: Pics and measurments... need suggestions
« Reply #10 on: 8 Mar 2011, 04:08 pm »
What's happening in the 5-9 kHz region - is that the speakers or the room doing that?

Im not sure.

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Re: Small room help: Pics and measurments... need suggestions
« Reply #11 on: 8 Mar 2011, 04:43 pm »
I second Sonny's suggestion altho suggest getting rid of the couch altogether.

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Re: Small room help: Pics and measurments... need suggestions
« Reply #12 on: 8 Mar 2011, 05:04 pm »
Im not sure.

Only one way to find out...

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Re: Small room help: Pics and measurments... need suggestions
« Reply #13 on: 8 Mar 2011, 05:06 pm »
A couple thoughts:
Is this room only used by you (or one person at a time)?  If so, rotate the system and get a chair instead of the couch.  More room to walk around it??

I don't see a TV, move the videos to a different room.

Absorbtion behind the speakers, left and right, and ceiling should help that peak, I would think.

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Re: Small room help: Pics and measurments... need suggestions
« Reply #14 on: 8 Mar 2011, 05:23 pm »
A couple thoughts:
Is this room only used by you (or one person at a time)?  If so, rotate the system and get a chair instead of the couch.  More room to walk around it??

I don't see a TV, move the videos to a different room.

Absorbtion behind the speakers, left and right, and ceiling should help that peak, I would think.

90% of the time, its just me. My wife has this issue with taking the couch out because "we will lose all the seating in there when you have friends over blah blah" shes insane lol.

I will chat with her and see if we can make some more compromises cause you are right, a recliner or chair would be ideal for a number of reasons.

I can remove the DVD storage, it can go in the living room without much trouble.

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« Reply #15 on: 8 Mar 2011, 05:26 pm »
I will chat with her and see if we can make some more compromises cause you are right, a recliner or chair would be ideal for a number of reasons.

Roses go a long way...

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« Reply #16 on: 8 Mar 2011, 05:27 pm »
I think the close distance is the cause for the rising FR.  It was probably voiced for standard 3 meter listening distance. Maxcasts idea is good, you can damp the walls with absorbtion to reduce the upper frequency reflections especially at reflection points. You could also use jimgouldings baffle pads to stop the baffle reflections of the upper freqs. I have had good results draping something over the tweeter, like acoustically transparent cloth, but it is not ideal. The advantage of acoustic absorption is that its attenuation increases with frequency, which offsets your rising FR naturally.

You could also use electronic room correction to EQ the line level signal to match your speakers and room. You are a good candidate for this because you only need to cut, not boost, and less expensive minimum phase filter solutions work well on the highs. If you already use a computer for playing music, adding AudioLense is pretty easy and sounds excellent, or Foobar with an EQ plugin, or Inguz for squeezebox players.

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« Reply #17 on: 8 Mar 2011, 06:32 pm »
I think the close distance is the cause for the rising FR.  It was probably voiced for standard 3 meter listening distance. Maxcasts idea is good, you can damp the walls with absorbtion to reduce the upper frequency reflections especially at reflection points. You could also use jimgouldings baffle pads to stop the baffle reflections of the upper freqs. I have had good results draping something over the tweeter, like acoustically transparent cloth, but it is not ideal. The advantage of acoustic absorption is that its attenuation increases with frequency, which offsets your rising FR naturally.

You could also use electronic room correction to EQ the line level signal to match your speakers and room. You are a good candidate for this because you only need to cut, not boost, and less expensive minimum phase filter solutions work well on the highs. If you already use a computer for playing music, adding AudioLense is pretty easy and sounds excellent, or Foobar with an EQ plugin, or Inguz for squeezebox players.

Thanks for the suggestions. I dont listen to music from a computer but its something I have seriously considered doing. That Audiolense might be a good tool.

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Re: Small room help: Pics and measurments... need suggestions
« Reply #18 on: 8 Mar 2011, 11:04 pm »
There really is only one answer here.

Get rid of wife.

Move stereo to whatever friggin' bigger room you want to.

Start enjoying life in all it's magnificent splendor.

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Re: Small room help: Pics and measurments... need suggestions
« Reply #19 on: 9 Mar 2011, 03:12 pm »
Well, I moved the entire system around yesterday to see what it would sound like and to be honest, I couldnt hear much of a difference other than the bass seemed smoother and definitely improved in the mid bass areas. I noticed it much more with walking bass lines when the notes climbed up high on the fretboard. Before, in the older spot, they notes would just get lost but now they seem more prominent. Im not sure if that has to do with the back wall not being right up against the back of my head or the fact that both speakers have boundary walls now...  or both?

Anyhow, the wife HATES it so I decided to shoot her.

JK JK JK!