Treating the front wall/ceiling juncture?

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jriggy

Treating the front wall/ceiling juncture?
« on: 1 Mar 2011, 10:19 pm »
I was curious what the benefits and effects of treatments are that are angled at the front wall/ceiling position in-between the speakers...
Is this position just for bass trapping or does it have an added refection benefit to the soundstage as well???

TomS

Re: Treating the front wall/ceiling juncture?
« Reply #1 on: 2 Mar 2011, 01:33 am »
I believe it's pretty much just bass trapping up there. I followed the recommendation to do all the room corners and seams as much as practical. Diffusion has it's place if you really want to affect imaging.

Tom

jriggy

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« Reply #2 on: 2 Mar 2011, 03:47 am »
Thanks Tom
 Im one of the weird ones that actually likes the look of treatments in a room and was curious if it would have any other effects other than bass trapping... I was not a fan of absorption on the front wall between the speakers, so Im poised to do something similar to what you did with front wall diffusion. I have just reached an incredible sound in the past few days but happy to give that a try.

Jason

TomS

Re: Treating the front wall/ceiling juncture?
« Reply #3 on: 2 Mar 2011, 04:02 am »
I liked what it did for the front screen so now I'm adding 3 Realtraps diffusers to the back wall. They'll be on stands so I can move them around too. Should be interesting.

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Re: Treating the front wall/ceiling juncture?
« Reply #4 on: 2 Mar 2011, 05:22 pm »
I'm adding 3 Realtraps diffusers to the back wall. They'll be on stands so I can move them around too.

Yes, that's a great idea. When we first developed the RealTraps Diffusor, I brought three of them into my home studio and did a lot of experimenting over several months. That's when I realized that the "conventional wisdom" of needing to be some minimum distance away was not always correct.

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« Reply #5 on: 2 Mar 2011, 05:34 pm »
Yes, that's a great idea. When we first developed the RealTraps Diffusor, I brought three of them into my home studio and did a lot of experimenting over several months. That's when I realized that the "conventional wisdom" of needing to be some minimum distance away was not always correct.

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I'm using the "near" version so hopefully won't matter too much since my room is only 13x24. I'm never seated very far from a room surface.

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Re: Treating the front wall/ceiling juncture?
« Reply #6 on: 2 Mar 2011, 05:42 pm »
Thanks Tom
 Im one of the weird ones that actually likes the look of treatments in a room and was curious if it would have any other effects other than bass trapping... I was not a fan of absorption on the front wall between the speakers, so Im poised to do something similar to what you did with front wall diffusion. I have just reached an incredible sound in the past few days but happy to give that a try.

Jason

Up high is indeed primarily bass control - though the side benefit is getting rid of some of the corner 'honk' also.

Bryan

jriggy

Re: Treating the front wall/ceiling juncture?
« Reply #7 on: 3 Mar 2011, 03:54 pm »
Bryan,

Could you explain what you mean by corner honk in this regard. Do you use the word 'corner' as in location? because I have tritraps to the ceiling.
 Sorry if I am misunderstanding... I tend to do that alot

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« Reply #8 on: 3 Mar 2011, 03:57 pm »
There are other corners besides the vertical ones where 2 walls meet.  Where each wall meets the ceiling is also a corner (as well as the floor and walls).  Corners tend to act like horns in terms of gain.   I find there to be a forwardness and harshness coming from corners in general. 

Treating the middle of the wall/ceiling junction not only reduces some corner space but also hits the middle of the width dimension while still being at the end of the height and length dimensions. 

jriggy

Re: Treating the front wall/ceiling juncture?
« Reply #9 on: 3 Mar 2011, 04:29 pm »
Ah! Of course. Funny how my brain would not allow me to consider those junctions corners  :duh:

Witch would you consider more important --  the wall-ceiling corner between the speakers, or the wall-ceiling corner directly to the side of each speaker? Or are they equal?

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« Reply #10 on: 3 Mar 2011, 04:49 pm »
Kind of depends on the situation but the front one is more oriented directly toward you.  I would likely go that way generally.  The other place would be in the same upper corners but directly to the sides of the listening position.

Bryan

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Re: Treating the front wall/ceiling juncture?
« Reply #11 on: 11 Mar 2011, 03:36 pm »
Thanks so much guys! and sorry I have a habit of not returning to thank for the info, but it very much appreciated.

drummermitchell

Re: Treating the front wall/ceiling juncture?
« Reply #12 on: 12 Mar 2011, 03:56 am »
Besides filling up my wall corners with tritraps,I also put three up on the wall ceiling corners.
One up on the front wallceiling and one one each sidewall wall ceiling corners.
Another step in bottomend cleanup,very nice improvement.

jriggy

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« Reply #13 on: 12 Mar 2011, 03:04 pm »
Excellent.
Although, I am at a crossroads with a major decision on an attic finishing for audio - so all treatment purchases may have to wait until this very big decision is figured out....