Adding Steam To The Record Cleaning Process

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Adding Steam To The Record Cleaning Process
« on: 26 Feb 2011, 01:02 am »
Was at Ace hardware today and bought one of those small portable steam cleaners for clothes and curtains. This one was missing some attachments and I bought it for 7 bucks.

Took it home and tried it on one record that I have which is a duplicate, and really doesn't sound that good. First I cleaned it with steam, and then vacuumed it on a VPI 16.5 Listened to it, but it was still noisy. Next try, I steamed it more aggressively, and then brushed it on the VPI, vacuumed it, and then wet cleaned it with the VPI solution. It got quieter, but I damaged it. There was a slow dragging sound on each revolution. Failure.

Didn't have another duplicate, but I did have a copy of ZZ Top Fandago that I was not pleased with when it went through the VPI. Listened to it before cleaning, and while its better on the new table/arm, it wasn't pristine. What the heck, lets throw the dice.

This time I steamed it a lot more cautiously. I stood the cleaner up, and held the record perpendicular to the nozzle. Slowly rotated it, and kept a decent amount of distance between the record and the steamer. Went around twice, then took it to the VPI. Did a quick wet brush, and then threw on the VPI cleaner. A quick scrub and vacuum, then its off to the TT.

Ok this time no record damage. Listening to it now, and its clean and very quiet. I can hear a small amount of what sounds like groove noise on the lead in track, but I really gotta listen for it. Heck that might have even been there before. But the record is very quiet, better than I had gotten on the VPI with just the liquid cleaner. So the second attempt is a success I think.

Need to do the other side, and work out the proper technique for doing this. But I see a lot of promise, and I am very happy with the results on this side of the test disc.

For what its worth, I think steam cleaning can be done cheaper. Use a tea kettle, and attach a hose to the end with a good c clamp. You might even be able to come up with a nozzle that directs the steam in a better pattern than this steam cleaner.

Cleaning the second side. Steamed it a touch lighter this time. But even so, I see what looks like the vinyl warping ever so slightly. But I stick it on the VPI and its flat. Same cleaning procedure as the first side. Once I play it I am impressed with the reduction of noise on the lead in groove. This side was really bad for it, and now its 95%+ gone. No swooshing sound either, so no damage. Clicks and pops are almost non existent. There are no big ones, and an occasional rice crispy. Happy with the results, but I am going to work my way through a few more test victims before I venture on to a good album.

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Re: Adding Steam To The Record Cleaning Process
« Reply #1 on: 26 Feb 2011, 01:11 am »
There are a couple videos on line of people steaming which I watched before venturing into it.  As you're planning on doing, give it a whirl on a few you don't care about to experiment---once you get a system and your confidence is up, you'll be tearing through 'em without thinking. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6OjtKUZ048&playnext=1&list=PLCBF1311D63001021

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Re: Adding Steam To The Record Cleaning Process
« Reply #2 on: 26 Feb 2011, 02:27 am »
There's a log discussion forum on Audiogon regarding steam cleaning records that eventually led me to the You Tube video.  I use the method in the video for all used records I buy now with great results.  Have never permanently warped a record.  I have a long list of records previously cleaned with Disk Doctor and the VPI machine that i want to steam clean.  Most that I go back and clean with steam sound better. 

DaveyW

Re: Adding Steam To The Record Cleaning Process
« Reply #3 on: 26 Feb 2011, 07:54 am »
Hi Mr. Pig,

I recently uploaded some videos to Youtube re. Steam Cleaning.

DaveyW's Steam and Vac Cleaning Method

Delivered to approx 25 discs now without a problem, there is some slight warping on the edge of some thinner discs at the end of the steam cleaning cycle, all flat again after the subsequent scrub and vac.
Maybe worth watching to compare processes.

I tend to spin the platter reasonably quickly, possibly quicker than the VPI cleaner?
This maybe one of the factors at play, or your steamer could be more powerful and/or morre direct than mine?
To provent risk of future disc damage, it might be worth traversing the record with the steamer more quickly and doing 2-3 times, or holding the nozzle further away.

Certainly I've not looked back since adding steam to my cleaning process, it's definately worth persisting with.

Good Luck
Dave

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Re: Adding Steam To The Record Cleaning Process
« Reply #4 on: 26 Feb 2011, 04:28 pm »
Apparently there are different configurations of steamers. The one I found does not operate like the one in the video. Actually it looks like the one in the video is better suited for the application of cleaning vinyl.

If I knew there were differences between the machines, I would have kept on searching. The one I bought has a wide nozzle with a series of horizontally placed holes. Its intended use looks to be for cleaning drapes and clothes.

To use this cleaner the vinyl needs to be placed perpendicular to the cleaner, otherwise you risk spilling hot water out of it. The steam isn't forced out as strongly as the one in the video either. Which may or may not be a good thing. The vinyl isn't hit with such a strong force as the cleaner in the video.

The question is how much steam time is needed for it to be effective, and how strong does the stream need to be. This style of cleaner may not subject the vinyl to so much force, but then again maybe it won't clean as well either?

Hard to know how effective its going to be. I need to clean some more vinyl and get a feel for what can be accomplished. I suppose I will keep an eye out for the other style of steamer also.

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Re: Adding Steam To The Record Cleaning Process
« Reply #5 on: 26 Feb 2011, 04:52 pm »
I tried the glue method now I guess I'll make a steam rig and give it a try.
My friend in Baltimore tried it with mixed results. Thanks Mr. Pig you say
that the big pops are gone which is what I was hoping for when I tried to
clean an lp with glue Thanks.........Bill

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Re: Adding Steam To The Record Cleaning Process
« Reply #6 on: 26 Feb 2011, 07:56 pm »
I tried the glue method now I guess I'll make a steam rig and give it a try.
My friend in Baltimore tried it with mixed results.

I don't believe there's a clear "right" way to do this.
I'd suggest kicking off by integrating it into your current cleaning process and see where it leads.
Just be careful of how much steam you deliver on your first applications and have a few less loved discs lined up for the first few blasts.
Good luck - Look forward to hearing everyone's onward experiences with steam cleaning.
Cheers
Dave