[Mitsuman]

Hi Ozark,
You had that one rigged didn't you? Just because you had the one decent digital recording that sounds better on a tube player, than a particular cartridge, doesn't prove much. You knew in advance that it would be so. I was never partial to those cartridges myself, and I suspect it's just that combo and recording that gave you the opportunity you're bragging about.

You must admit, that is not the norm. Why do you think the faces turned red? They weren't expecting that, because it's usually the other way around. You are/were not much of a high end dealer if all you offer is Koetsu carts. Maybe that's good though, for the Ozarks, I wouldn't know.

BTW, this happens to be the vinyl circle, if that digititus has you disoriented. Are you sure you want a pissing contest?
Regards,
neo

There is no excuse for this kind of crap here. 

[jimdgoulding]

Tom, yer store was in Kansas City, right?  You ever sell Eminent Technology speakers?  If I remember right, the AR was a suspended design, right?  My next door neighbor in fabulous Fort Worth, Texas had one.  He used to get my hand-me-down high output cartridges.  Can't remember, was that headshell removable?  The one it came with made cartridge alignment a tough propostion if memory serves.

Thanks, Wolf.  Just beautiful. 

[neobop]

No P contest, never meant to rustle any feathers. A not so well known trade secret, try an AR ES-1 turntable from the 80's with your vinyl.  One of the best imaging and soundstage you will efer hear with your LP's. It beat all those other tables I mentioned plus the Oracle and Pink Triangle. Since it came from a mid-fi company, the audio mags shunned the ES-1.

But to hear a master tape? That is a huge improvement over both LP and CD. That makes you want to throw the other two formats away.

Of course you meant to rustle feathers. Why else would you post that on the vinyl forum?

But Mitsu is right. My apologies to anyone in or from the Ozark region, I may have offended. We're all having a bad winter. I heard that Arkansas and Missouri were particularly hard hit, and people froze to death as far south as northern Mexico. Perhaps tempers are frayed and tolerance a little low. In PA, we're used to tough winters, but this one seems particularly cold.

I'm just another member here, so don't let me dissuade you from posting whatever you like. I am somewhat familiar with the ES-1. I sold it and set up quite a few. Nice little table. However, it was outclassed by the other tables you mentioned, IMO. I've heard master tapes and had a small collection of master tape dubs. They did sound awesome, but rather than make me want to throw away my record player, I wanted to make it as good as the master. Your comments lead me to believe that you haven't realized the potential that records, and that record players really have. Vinyl is much more resilient than tape. If cleaned and used properly, is virtually noise free and can sound more like an analogue master than a digital copy.

Now that recordings are digital and 24 bit technology has improved things, the lines are starting to blur. With the addition of a DA converter, my CDs are much more listenable for the most part. But most of my music is recorded in analogue and early digital transfers pose no threat to the superiority of records. Even remastered CDs usually don't come very close.
To each his own,
neo

[jimdgoulding]

Don't know about you guys but I tend to have an extra glass of wine when the weathers cold.  Ok, more than just an extra.  And when I do objectivity goes out the flippin window.  But, hey, it's great for the music.  Not so good, however, for intellectual discourse.  Less I'm talkin to myself.

[BaMorin]

No P contest, never meant to rustle any feathers. A not so well known trade secret, try an AR ES-1 turntable from the 80's with your vinyl.  One of the best imaging and soundstage you will efer hear with your LP's. It beat all those other tables I mentioned plus the Oracle and Pink Triangle. Since it came from a mid-fi company, the audio mags shunned the ES-1.

But to hear a master tape? That is a huge improvement over both LP and CD. That makes you want to throw the other two formats away.

Ya ought to hear one that has been through a complete revision.......where all the "issues" have been corrected. And with a decent Grado dragging on it.
A simple drop in piece will take a THE TURNTABLE to the level of a stock ES-1........and since this is a SRV thread........I took that ES-1 to a stereo store. The Hi-End room didn't have any analogue equipment.....so i brought my Preamp as well.  They had just gotten AYRE amps in and were breaking them in on Couldn't Stand the Weather.  One of the salesmen had never heard vinyl.
The owner (friend of mine) just threw his hands in the air and walked out.
The kid, when he finally got his mouth shut....uttered something like S#@T!!!!!
Flat out smoked that CD.

[OzarkTom]

Not from KC, but SW Mo. Are you from Missouri? I did visit the KC store and they were great honest people.

It was a Linn dealer in Texas that started me comparing the AR to everything else. I bought a Linn from him and he bought an AR EB-101 with tonearm from me. That was a revision of the original XA. I sold a lot of AR's back then, but had never compared them to the Sotas and Micro-Seiki's I was selling. I just figured the AR's were inferior, but they sounded good for the money. After about three weeks, the Linn dealer called me up. He had been checking the AR to his Linn, Sumiko-The Arm-Koetsu Black combo.

He asked me, have you ever compared the AR? Well, that led me too a lot of comparison tests, and I was shocked also. The AR beat the Linn and everything alse I tried it against. The AR had the most openess and biggest soundstage of all. What a shock!

Tom, yer store was in Kansas City, right?  You ever sell Eminent Technology speakers?  If I remember right, the AR was a suspended design, right?  My next door neighbor in fabulous Fort Worth, Texas had one.  He used to get my hand-me-down high output cartridges.  Can't remember, was that headshell removable?  The one it came with made cartridge alignment a tough propostion if memory serves.

Thanks, Wolf.  Just beautiful.

[OzarkTom]

Is your AR anything like this one on Ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230588638809&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

That is a beautiful modded AR ES-1 table, I would love to hear that one. The price doesn't seem all that high with todays going prices. But all the mods we tried on the AR back then was a failure. The stock felt mat sounded better than any other tweek mats. I tried the damping of the cast table, and that was a failure also. The stock unit sounded the most open and dynamic.

Ya ought to hear one that has been through a complete revision.......where all the "issues" have been corrected. And with a decent Grado dragging on it.
A simple drop in piece will take a THE TURNTABLE to the level of a stock ES-1........and since this is a SRV thread........I took that ES-1 to a stereo store. The Hi-End room didn't have any analogue equipment.....so i brought my Preamp as well.  They had just gotten AYRE amps in and were breaking them in on Couldn't Stand the Weather.  One of the salesmen had never heard vinyl.
The owner (friend of mine) just threw his hands in the air and walked out.
The kid, when he finally got his mouth shut....uttered something like S#@T!!!!!
Flat out smoked that CD.